Follow Sean Astin from the shipwrecks of Oregon to the football fields of Notre Dame in Goonies (Josh Brolin, Ke Huy Quan, Corey Feldman) and Rudy (David Anspaugh, Jon Favreau, Vince Vaughn).
(This episode contains spoilers)
Where to watch Goonies?
HBOMax
Where to watch Rudy?
Starz
* As of August 2022 in the USA
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Follow Sean Astin from the shipwrecks of Oregon to the football fields of Notre Dame in Goonies (Josh Brolin, Ke Huy Quan, Corey Feldman) and Rudy (David Anspaugh, Jon Favreau, Vince Vaughn).
(This episode contains spoilers)
Where to watch Goonies?
HBOMax
Where to watch Rudy?
Starz
* As of August 2022 in the USA
For more shenanigans, follow us on Instagram @couplescutpodcast or TikTok @couplescutpodcast, Twitter @couplescutpod or send us an e-mail at CouplesCutPodcast@gmail.com
Transcript available on our website: https://CouplesCut.buzzprout.com/
Why are you whispering?
Cayleigh:So it's easier to edit it out
Fish:is it? That was probably harder.
Nate:Just cut the whole thing
Fish:through the edits. He's gonna like it makes
Cayleigh:it like I can't keep
Fish:mumble I need to turn it off or do I need to just cut him mumbling do
Nate:I do that fish
Fish:oh, so you made a cut this you made it tougher from the editor.
Cayleigh:Listen, I like it. I like to give the people I like to motivate the people around me.
Fish:Well, you're motivating right now.
Cayleigh:Hello and welcome to couples. A podcast where to couples the goods. Hey, hey, and the fishes Hi. Give their commentary on a fine pairings movies.
Jackie:In case it isn't obvious, there will be spoilers for both movies during this podcast.
Cayleigh:Make some enemies cutlets. It's about to get spicy. Spicy. So we got our Sean Astin episode and for our rapid fire, I we've gone on break, I've come back and I feel like I sometimes like when the rapid fire actually has to do with the episode. So what fandom would you pay the VIP costs to meet at a con. Which is relevant because David and I, in honor of this episode, met Sean Astin, like a week ago, and we'll get into that pepper in some snippets night. I've been to a few cons. So
Fish:preview of things to come.
Cayleigh:This one's a hard one for me. JK Rowling aside, I wouldn't mind going all out to meet like the actors involved with Harry Potter. That's a pretty big one for me, I would say I would have my answer would have been Star Wars just because I really, really wanted to meet Carrie Fisher and have her sign my Barbie doll, but that's just not gonna happen. So I don't think I would pay the VIP costs anymore. But I think I would for Harry Potter.
Fish:This is David. And I just think epsy Lord of the Rings. Weird. Because although we did meet Sean for a minute, it would be nice. I'm guessing by VIP, you and a bunch of people are in a room and you have like time to mingle and talk and it's not just like a quick thing, right? Yeah,
Cayleigh:you get where's your FaceTime? Yeah, when we went, we went to a panel that had all the habits. And then at the end of that panel, they said, gold VIP, so that's like the highest level
Fish:is $900.
Cayleigh:Please stay seated everyone else to leave. And that was like their backstage experiences that they got to then kind of continue to have a more freeform experience with them.
Fish:Yeah, that's what I would have done. Yeah, this is
Jackie:Jackie. And I when I was younger, I was super fan of so many things. That now I'm struggling to think of. Who I'd actually paid me for. Right? Like yeah, high school college. I was a fan of everything. Lord of the Rings. Harry Potter. Firefly. Yeah, Firefly and Buffy. Firefly would be a good one. I feel like they'd be entertaining. The first one that really comes to mind though is I would pay to me, Lucy Lawless and Bruce Campbell. Oh, Xena Warrior Princess. I think that'd be
Cayleigh:I think they do chi.
Jackie:I think they do too.
Cayleigh:So that's that's attainable.
Jackie:Bruce Campbell has definitely been at a con that I was at. And he was one of those that had signs blocking him so you couldn't take pictures. And they were yelling at people who were trying.
Cayleigh:Wow, that's I I'm not getting any feelings card. Yeah, I was gonna say there was only one single celebrity.
Nate:You guys saw somebody behind?
Cayleigh:Yeah, the only person who made their super exclusive and private and it was like kind of a deal about it was Kevin Smith. All four habits, including Elijah Wood, and Sean Astin, who I feel like are like those. They're celebrities. They're straight up celebrities, they get recognized in public, you don't have to be a nerd to know who they are. And they were out at the public like if you've ever been to a con usually at the back there's just a wall of table after table after table with banners and all the celebrities are just kind of sitting next to each other out there lined up tables doing autographs and before the pandemic selfies. And when I went to my previous con to do Outlander, charmed and Boy Meets World Boy Meets World and charmed were like that but Outlander wasn't which I was sort of like okay, I get it. They're kind of the main pole here. There's literally 1000s of people just for them. So they It's more like a crowd control measures how I took it because they were in a separate part of the building. Kevin Smith's little Palace was in the middle of all of the public tables. Like he literally had them build a curtain palace for him right smack dab in the middle of the normal tables. And I was kind of really surprised that the Lord of the Rings, people were in that kind of like public space, you could walk and take pictures of them from, you know, behind the line. And that surprised me just even from a crowd control measure, I thought for sure it'd be similar to the Outlander, where they would be in their own rooms, but they weren't. So that's interesting that you forget Bruce
Jackie:Campbell. Yeah, like, of all people, like King of the chief, be movies. You're the best.
Nate:So this is Nate. And I'm going to turn it on its head a little bit. I've got a legitimate answer. But also, if I was gonna do a VIP experience, I would probably do it at a concert and try and meet one of my heroes. So Joe Bonamassa comes to mind just because he seems down to earth. He's a very savvy business person to have you guys heard of Joe Bonamassa.
Fish:He's I feel like Nate's mentioned him 100 times. Yeah,
Jackie:I was gonna say, really works for him.
Nate:I wish I did. He's a blues guitar, rock blues rock guitarist. He was a virtuoso as a kid. So kind of a child prodigy played with BB King when he was like, gonna say like nine or 12 and started his career from from there. If we were going strictly like ComiCon movie con. Marvel Marvel Universe, it'd be cool to meet as many of the Kaseya vendors as possible. That'd be cool. Yeah. I don't know if all of them do cons or if they
Cayleigh:do read did one recently okay or not? Right before the pandemic he did a con. It was mostly for clueless because Alicia Silverstone did the same. But obviously, yeah, see him for anything, but I think some of them do the last eight listy ones I think do
Fish:President interview as much in the friends at all.
Jackie:I don't feel the need to meet them. I mean, there's a lot of stuff I like but you would want to meet them. No, no. Yeah, I don't think I would pay me meet now.
Fish:Screw friends.
Jackie:Do it. Yeah, every time I've done comic cons. I've never actually paid to get any autographs or or take photos with anyone. I've definitely taken like sneaky photos from afar. There was a couple I did that had Buffy people. It was exciting. We had like Felicia Day and they had Nicolas Brendon and a couple others Charisma Carpenter was there.
Cayleigh:I see charisma and I forget his name the guy who plays spike there at every fucking con James
Jackie:Marsters. Yeah,
Cayleigh:every I almost I literally almost smacked into Charisma Carpenter at my last con because her table is right next to Holly combs because they're like besties. And they like her and her handler, were walking. And I was like scrolling on my phone trying to figure out when like, my next session was and I literally almost ran into her.
Nate:She had to apologize. Oh, yeah,
Cayleigh:I was like, Oh, shit. And she was like, Oh, I'm sorry. You're okay on and I was like, okay.
Fish:Just ran on purpose of that was very nice.
Cayleigh:So they were
Jackie:the one I did. Yeah, it would be cool to meet them.
Cayleigh:Yeah, definitely. I think it's more fun to meet Nani listers. Yeah, number one and number two, I will say this. If you're ever going to a con and you're trying to decide because I was very much not into getting photos or autographs or anything like that. And then when it was like, bleach roll that's my childhood charm does my childhood Outlander. That's my now oh my gosh, okay. I was so embarrassed and like nervous. And I was like, This is so weird. They're just people. And that would be so like, embarrassing if someone like, paid money to want to meet me because they thought I did such a nice job at my job. Like, I don't know, that's so weird. But then I was like, fuck it, whatever. It's fine. We're gonna give it a try. And if it's stupid, and you felt like you wasted your money, we'll never do it again. But we're going to do it for this one. Yeah, I strongly recommend getting an autograph. Or if they start doing selfies again, a selfie over the like, professional photo op. Yeah, because they're never organized. Yeah, the star never has control over the professional photo op. And literally, David and I, when we did ours with the hobbits, it was like a Disneyland ride. Like literally, you ran in. Okay, 123 go, and then you run out. Like, I didn't even make eye contact with any of them because it was just so fast and overwhelming. We were being rushed so hard because they were so unorganized. Yeah, that's disappointing. Yeah. Whereas our pay for that. No. Yeah. And it's more expensive. Yeah. Versus the autograph. If we got from Sean Astin solo this episode is all about him and we're gonna you know, crack into some controversial opinions I'm sure about the subject matter, but I don't think there's any controversy when saying that Sean Astin is a wonderful guy who plays lovable characters and what a what a man and what an interesting history his personal life has had and everything like that. But when we were in line waiting, the people in front of us had gone the day before us and they were saying that his handlers have had to get more strict and impose a bunch more rules because he would just take five or 10 minutes with each person just chatting with them ask him questions. He was just so personable and by the way cutlets Sean asked and said personally to you guys from him what's up? You did? You did?
Jackie:What was your recording device guys?
Cayleigh:I know oh my gosh, we should have hooked it up. This was a good like practice round. I'm a big fan of cons.
Fish:I'm we'll be back we're gonna feel the field recorder.
Cayleigh:My first one and yeah, we could have been standing in line like recording other people. You know, what a Sean Astin mean to you and then we could like plug in little sound bites here but we don't have that for you cutlets. I'm so sorry. But he was
Jackie:you can do voices will reenact it.
Cayleigh:But I'm really ambitious. It really means a lot to me. He got me through a dark time. Yeah, he's a cool guy.
Jackie:You guys got nothing. Come on,
Nate:go into a dark.
Fish:Where are your voices? No.
Nate:disrespect to pointing.
Cayleigh:Well, anyway, without further ado, this week, we are covering Goonies and Rudy. So the encapsulation of Shawnee Austin's transition from little baby child star to adult actor of accolades, and we are going to do chronologically to Sean's life Goonies first. So here we go. Row plot.
Jackie:The Boondocks homes are facing foreclosure as a country club plans to expand. The kids who love they're known as The Goonies are desperate to save their homes. They happen upon a treasure map and leader might be that after following the map to an abandoned restaurant, they find themselves in the presence of the Fratelli is a well known crime family hiding from the law. With Mikey's older brother his crush and her friend, the Goonies minus chunk find a tunnel under the restaurant and escape the fatalities. Chunk, who has been kidnapped by the fatalities is tied up with the abused and misunderstood for tele brother slot. Evading booby traps and staying a few steps ahead of the fatalities. The group finally reaches one night Willie's pirate ship and a hidden grotto. They face off against the fatalities and are saved by sloth and Chuck. The fatalities make a fatal mistake by setting off a booby trap and the key begins to collapse around them. On the beach. The Goonies are reunited with their families and camera crews as the fatalities are arrested. With one remaining bag of gems, they're able to officially save the new dogs. Fish backs,
Fish:the Goonies never say die.
Jackie:They never say die.
Fish:Never The Goonies was released on June 7 1985, and with a budget of around 19 million went on to make over 64 million. Although there's a little disagreement with some of the some of the sites like Wikipedia is shows and made over 125 million. But I think it's 64 million. I'm gonna we're gonna go with that. Directed by Richard Donner Screenplay by Chris Columbus, and starring Sean Astin, Josh Brolin, Jeff Cohen, Corey Feldman, Carrie green, Martha Plimpton, and key Quan,
Jackie:as everyone. Everyone has seen this before. No, you had never seen never seen this. So I know where the controversial opinion is. I can see seeing this as an adult not enjoying this at all correct.
Fish:Yeah. Nobody's ever seen this before.
Nate:I'm interested to hear if it's just beyond not liking it.
Cayleigh:Go right for it.
Jackie:Here's the painful so I saw your childhood.
Nate:I saw this many, many times, as you know, through my childhood and probably one of my early movies.
Jackie:Yeah, I definitely watched it when I was a kid a lot. A lot.
Fish:I think it was on TV a lot, wasn't it? Oh, yeah. No, for
Jackie:sure. I watched it a lot. Even after childhood. I feel like I've watched it more than any other movie. At this point.
Fish:You're in or just like,
Jackie:in Vegas repeating. I think I've seen this movie more times than I've seen any other movie. Wow, I really like the Goonies. I definitely I can definitely see seeing it as an adult and not having that nostalgia and hating it. I think they, they all yell the
Cayleigh:whole time. No, that's the number one complaint. And it's not even just that they yell. It's they the children scream all of their dialogue. Yeah, they do. And it's like bleary eyed. I tried really hard to like, hang on, and give it a fair shot, but it was giving me a migraine. But also, the mixing is really loud. And I know the next time you watch it, listen for that. They'll open a fridge and pull something out of it. And it'll almost be like a jumpscare. Or like, chicken chicken. You're like, What the There's not trying to keep you know, yeah, exactly. There's not a moment. I think it's purposeful
Nate:downstairs. Do you guys watch upstairs?
Cayleigh:Upstairs? Yeah. And I because I was like no Atmos. Yeah, no, that's Yeah, exactly. Um, so yeah, it was just an I think that's purposeful because of it's a kids movie. So short attention span, keep them constantly engaged. So I totally get that. And like, I was born in the early 90s. So not that that doesn't mean I couldn't be shown it but like, it just I wasn't, you might have just missed it. Yeah, like I didn't have anyone in my life. Like my parents would have been too old to be like, Oh, you have to watch this. I didn't I have my older sibling was also born right after it. So just not just wasn't around anybody who was like, Oh, my God, I don't have a babysitter, the right age to be like, Oh, my God, we have to show this to you. So just kind of missed it. In that sense. But yeah, it's just a very loud movie.
Fish:Love movie. I didn't realize a lot. It wasn't till watching it this time. Like, I feel like it's, at least for me. It's maybe a better movie just to have on in the background, but don't have it on turn the volume down a little bit. But just sitting and watching it, you know, for this podcast being very conscious and intent. It's very loud. Yeah. And it's we had to turn it down a few times, I think wasn't a deal breaker for me, just because I have the nostalgia. You either have nostalgia for this movie or don't. And that's a big factor on what you like it this period. And that's what it feels like. It's not the greatest movie of all time. It's not a bad movie. The nostalgia factor just weighs in big,
Cayleigh:I think to what struck me surprised about it. You have Chris Columbus writing it. You know, he's done home alone, he directed the first two Harry Potter movies. Those are movie though both of those movies are not movies that you have to be a kid to appreciate. You can watch both of those later in life, and potentially still really enjoy them. Steven Spielberg is attached. Although I did as I was doing my research come across a couple of message boards that discussed how like, in the 80s and 90s It was really common, especially for kids movies that have Steven Spielberg had even looked at a movie to attach his name to it. And that's how like you have a lot of these low rated kids movie like hook is a very low rated kids movie that has his name attached to it. So like it doesn't necessarily promote anything. Exactly. The kid
Fish:directed to scenes the wishing well seen and maybe the one where they're underground and shaking the pipes.
Jackie:So I was gonna say Steven Spielberg supposedly came up with the storyline behind this because he was very inspired by a lot of the mythology surrounding Portland's coast. Oh, cool. So a month ago, I was very excited because a headline came up on National Geographic, that was about how they found the real inspiration behind the Goonies, like that is timely. That's very exciting, right? They
Fish:find it um,
Jackie:so they found it outside of Portland. They actually it's a ship that's 329 years old, called the Santo Cristo de Burgos. They found dozens of timbers. I haven't found the actual wreck itself, but there's been rumors forever. Native Americans had all these rumors because over the years, the goods from the ship would wash up on shore. So the ship was curates.
Nate:Were well traveled came from
Jackie:it was it was amps and guitar strings.
Fish:They had a guitar on them.
Jackie:They didn't have a guitar they have. They were traveling from Philippines to Mexico. Spanish guitar.
Nate:They had a guitar. Definitely. At least one.
Jackie:They had beeswax. That's where you'll be more interested in. Oh, yeah. Stamped, wasn't it? Yeah. So they had large blocks of beeswax because they're taking it to Mexico for Catholic churches, basically. But that tells you how dangerous the seas are. And there's been like a lot of shipwrecks out there. And a lot have not been found but they've been able To just last month, they were able to uncover some of the old timber and find out that it did source back to Asia that it was it would have been hit and sunk around the time that the ship went missing. So they're able to confirm it was that was pretty cool. But they say that that's where Steven Spielberg got some in for inspiration. Yeah, having treasure maps,
Fish:he must have awesome. Talk to the Chris Columbus then.
Nate:Yeah. What I was gonna say too, is that after we watched the movie, Jackie, and I went on on YouTube and during the pandemic, Josh Gad, who played Olaf and frozen, did a reunion a reunion, he did a special I think there were like eight or nine episodes that he did. But they they did a reunion of the Goonies cast. And Spielberg joined in the video call. So they had Richard Donner on there, he was 90 and his is
Jackie:so you feel horrible for a good half hour, he can't get his mic to work. So you see in the corner of the screen trying to figure it
Nate:out. So he gets it figured out and he you know, he was very sharp and really cool to hear from about the movie. Yeah. But yeah, he I think he even made the comment in there that like all the kids were yelling the whole time. He
Jackie:said he said he didn't want to work with kids after that. Oh, he was so excited to go home to Hawaii. And then Steven Spielberg shares that he was Steven Spielberg right now Chris Columbus, Spielberg he shared that he planned with all the kids to surprise him back at the house in Hawaii.
Nate:With kids I thought it
Cayleigh:was a nice thing. I didn't realize it was a prank
Nate:put him on America
Jackie:They're all laughing they
Nate:were waiting for him in his family room. Getting the beat him home. Yeah,
Jackie:they surprised him and he was like I was just excited to be done.
Nate:kisser back I just walk back out the front door. Right? Okay. Good, but I'm out. It's really
Jackie:it's actually really cute the hole that we watched it during the pandemic too. But we did refresh for this. It was really cute to see them all interact again,
Cayleigh:which like I say you have on the you know, story and directing and writing and etc. All Stars heavy hitters, and even with the child cast. Short Round is not my beef with Temple of Doom. No short round is the enjoyable part of Temple of Doom. Yes. Corey Feldman. Oscar worthy in standby me. Yeah. Sean Astin, he's, you know, we would this whole episode is dedicated to him. It's an ode to him. So like, I was surprised that I wasn't that I felt like I like I wasn't expecting to not like it.
Jackie:It is definitely a kid's movie. Yeah,
Cayleigh:for sure.
Nate:Yeah. And I, I noticed this time, and maybe it's because we were watching with intent. And I haven't done that in a while. All the dialogue was yelled, yeah. They were yelling over each other. The other piece of it too. I think, Jackie, you found this, so you can correct me. But there were like 100 Bloopers that made it into the film, where it's like when they're in the basement of the restaurant, and he turns around and knocks over the watercooler trunk does. Sean Astin says Josh instead of his net whatever, brands instead of brand, he calls Josh Brolin by his first name and they it's in the movie, that's and their other stuff like that, where they call each other by their first names. And a couple other good ones.
Jackie:Some of its purposeful, like they managed to I don't I think it was 21 but they managed to get a record record number of shifts in this film for a kid's film like
Cayleigh:it in the woods. Yeah.
Jackie:record number of shifts sometimes.
Fish:Your previous episode if you're not familiar,
Jackie:curry episodes. But they all the kids say shit at some point. And they tried to sneak it in under yelling. So it's essentially not as it's not in the forefront. So it's a little there's just can't
Cayleigh:pass like the sensors of saying it too many times. Yeah, yeah, that's fine. Except
Jackie:so. So data, actually says it. He says s h i t he spells it because he had promised his bomb he wouldn't.
Cayleigh:That's so key.
Fish:You wonder who's sworn to this day?
Jackie:I'm ready. Yes. Because have you guys watched everything everywhere all at once? No, no,
Cayleigh:you have not yet,
Jackie:it's when we were watching. It's great. I highly recommend this movie. When we are watching it. We're sitting there, we didn't know that he was an actor. And I kept
Nate:his voice. Very similar. It was
Jackie:his voice that stuck out to me. And then as soon as our friend said it was like, Yes, oh my gosh, that's him. I can't
Nate:believe it. And he's fantastic. And he's
Jackie:good. And he's done a ton of interviews, because he really hasn't acted since the 80s. He actually was on a kind of 20 year hiatus. He said, It wasn't entirely intentional. At first, there just wasn't a lot of opportunity for Asian actors.
Fish:Yeah, nobody called him. Yeah, yes. And so that it became he
Jackie:started to do I think, stunt work and everything and be more behind the scenes. But he said how Crazy Rich Asians he saw it in the theater. And he actually cried a few times. He saw it three times in the theater. And
Cayleigh:we all watched the same interview. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he
Jackie:said it to a bunch of people and how this was just the best opportunity. And
Fish:he wishes he was up there with them. Yeah. You feel like you felt like you missed out? Yeah. When he reached out to like an old agent or whatever. Funny. Yeah. And then he starts getting some calls. And he's in this movie.
Jackie:Well, I was excited to hear you have a TV show coming out to oh, cool on Disney plus.
Cayleigh:Oh, nice. Yeah, I've seen a lot of like fan suggestions that he should be the next indie. That would be amazing. I saw a beautifully written like synopsis that I'm like, takes over from our words or from our mouths. Spielberg's ears, but like that, someone comes to Indiana Jones, and he's old and grizzled and out of the game and says, you know, we have a stolen artifact. And the only description we have is it's a man going by Jones, Indiana Jones. Where have you been? And he's like, I'm not a I'm Harrison Ford.
Jackie:You sound exactly like Yeah.
Cayleigh:And then he's so overtaken by how someone is not just impersonating me, but on doing my life's work. What the fuck? So he gets back in the game to hunt down this imposter. And we get like a scene of like, you just get the whip in the fedora of a younger man. And then we see that it's short round and love it, but he's going by ended that he didn't actually steal the artifact that, you know, someone else stole it. But the Eau de only saw this guy going by Indiana. I love it. I think that's that's perfect. That's what it needs to be so
Jackie:good. Yeah, I really hope to see him and more.
Nate:I could see twists on that to go to the old Indiana Jones. He's grizzled. I'm out of the game. You should talk to this guy.
Jackie:Yeah. Oh, I would definitely watch that protege.
Cayleigh:Mm hmm.
Jackie:Was that the same interview? The one that you guys watched? Was it the one where he talked about how he invited George Lucas and Steven Spielberg to his birthday party? Didn't see that? Yeah, he was he's like, I was 14. And you're here. I'm this kid. I'm like, Oh, they're totally gonna come to my birthday party. So invited them they didn't show up. But George Lucas sent him a shit or like a shit ton of Star Wars stuff or like toys and all this other games. And Steven Spielberg sent him a TV and a whole DVD or like it wasn't DVDs back then VHS collection. Oh. Nice. So adorable. That's very sweet. Yeah, I would love to see him and more. And you guys should definitely watch everything everywhere all at once. So
Fish:I do want to say no after seeing key talk about it. Yeah, it really good.
Jackie:A fantastic movie. It's beautiful.
Nate:Kaley, I can totally see your point and like, watching it intently. The writing the screenplay is great. The writing the story is cool, but it's it's child actors act almost acting for kids.
Cayleigh:Right? I was gonna say I don't know that the screenplay is great. But
Jackie:if you felt that way, I wonder
Fish:what the screenplay looks like though. Does it say like shouting? Is it an all caps? Is this shouting
Cayleigh:exclusively? An echo replaces Yeah, yeah.
Fish:We'll open up a shout inside the echoey
Cayleigh:like there was even one scene where the maid is walking up the stoop steps and it's literally with every step and I'm like the foley artists on this just they went hard. They went so hard on
Nate:them honestly gonna have to watch again and
Cayleigh:Foley is fascinating choices. So we haven't really talked about Sean Astin yet
Fish:Mikey is characters Mike Okay,
Nate:so was this first roll? It was
Cayleigh:not. So did you guys know that Sean Astin is the child of Patty Duke? I could No,
Jackie:no remember that of the patty Duke show. I did not
Cayleigh:identical cousins. That's the premise of the show. It's not possible. But he had a very fascinating childhood, which, again, sort of explained that explains, but we've talked about it a lot, because we've done a lot of movies dealing with child actors in them and have kind of discussed you know, how the industry is not great. Hollywood's not ideal. But bubba. So his mom, either she didn't know, or was not being straightforward with him on whose dad was, so she dated Desi Arnaz, Jr. I thought, Yeah, probably. Lucille Ball and Desi Arnaz. Son. He was 17. Okay, yeah. So on this podcast where your opportunities we don't like that. I don't like that. Oh, she in her 20s It was all over the tabloids Lucille Ball was like, pissed about it. She did not like Paddy. She did not like the relationship. She was also seeing a guy Mike tell and then tell her something like that. He's like, Hollywood. I think like a more behind the scenes kind of guy, perhaps a producer or something like that. So she's kind of her and does he break up? She's seeing this guy. Turns out she's pregnant. So his name is Mike tell? It's just my brain second guessed because it's just like one syllable names anyway. So Mike, tell Mary's Patti because he's like, I want your child to have a father whether it's minor disease, yada yada. That marriage lasts 17 days. And they get an old before Sean is even born yet. So Shawn is actually born Sean Duke, he has a knee on a nice knee whenever that French word is for your maiden name, or your name before. So on his Wikipedia, he Shawn need Duke Aston. So then she starts dating John Astin. And basically, they deep for a while they get married. And at their wedding, like during the ceremony, Sean is like, you know, a little taut and yells daddy, to John. And the priest was like, Well, that settles it. So he spent most of his life with his mom and I it's unclear whether she meant this literally or like figuratively, John is your father. There's no John as your father. Then when he's 14, she tells him John isn't, you know, he's your dad. But Desi Arnaz, Jr. Is your father. And so he reaches out to Desi Arnaz, Jr. and they form a relationship. You know, they get to know each other does Jonas Jr. was interested in getting to know him and was accepting of the idea that this Shawn could be his biological son. So they form a relationship. Then, later, a cousin of Mike tell is like, you're related to us for sure. For positive. And Shawn is like enough is enough. I am gonna go get a DNA test because I just want this settled. So he gets a DNA test. And sure enough, Mike tell is his biological father. Okay. But he says that he basically has four dads because he feels like John Astin is his dad. That's the man who raised him. That's the man who loved him. That's his dad. That's his last name. Yes. Does your nose Jr. I don't know if he's still alive or not. But he still has a real he had, either he still does or he did up until his death, have a close relationship. They never stopped talking or hanging out or having a relationship when he found out that he biologically was not his. He has a relationship or had again, I don't know if any of these people are alive or dead with microtel in that whole family. And then Patty Duke did get remarried after so her and John Astin, which, by the way, is Gomez Adams or at least one of the Gomez Adams he was an actor. Um, so they get divorced in the 80s and she remarries and that he had a close John Astin was No. Patty Duke gets divorced from John Astin in the 80s. And then she gets remarried to another fella, Harry Falk. And he gets a very you know, he gets close relationship with his new stepfather as well. So he's said in multiple interviews, like I have four people who I love and love me and that you know I can. That's a lot of dads. Yeah. So he kind of I wonder if that's where he's like, that sounds dysfunctional but at the end of the day, it's not about is your family nuclear is your family traditional is your family, whatever. It's about love. Right? And Sean Astin had so many people who loved him and cared about him and wanted to see him succeed. And I wonder if that's why he's such a well adjusted, you know, family man at the con. He talked a lot about his, you know, children his wife, he's been married for a long time. He's not one of those Hollywood situations
Fish:seems to come across in his acting to just like, you seem so earnest family. Yeah.
Nate:Down to Earth. Yes. Which doesn't, doesn't jive with like a messed up, right. home life.
Fish:Nate. This wasn't Sean Aston's acting debut, but this was Josh Brolin acting.
Nate:This was Josh Rowan's acting debut. Yes. That's kind of awesome. And yeah, I
Jackie:don't have a snap.
Cayleigh:I still don't know how to snap. No, I can make the sound but I don't stack my fingers correctly. So you're supposed to put middle and some and then this one on top and then the middle is what makes a sound way oh,
Jackie:I go by ring finger actually. Oh,
Cayleigh:I do middle on top. Yeah,
Nate:I can do it with ring finger but
Jackie:that's like the most Oh, solid middle finger. But I always do ring finger. Yeah. This isn't gonna be annoying to the Cutlass. Gotta look how loud fishes is.
Fish:Oh, I picked again. Peeking. I thought for being an acting debut. I thought Josh Brolin did pretty pretty well.
Nate:I think he did, too. Was this Martha plantains acting debut? Or was she a child star as well?
Jackie:I don't know. But when I was a kid, she was my least favorite character. And now I love her. So after seeing her and Raising Hope,
Fish:so, Sean Astin, later on going to play in Stranger Things. And then BB from Stranger Things is totally stuff for Martha Plimpton. I'm getting like major BB vibes from
Cayleigh:David said that when we're watching total bar. Yeah. Like
Fish:the sidekick friend is a girl's like, oh, no, you shouldn't do that. Like, Oh, no. I'm like watching your friend like kiss someone like Oh, amati here like
Jackie:next time you should do with your eyes open. It's a totally different experience.
Fish:Total bar fives. What
Nate:else? Is there a hole here with you standing.
Jackie:Apparently Sean Astin was super excited to kiss Carrie green. Who was super he was yeah, she was horrified because he was a kid. Yeah, Scar him.
Nate:But you said she was super excited to kiss Josh bro. Oh, yeah.
Jackie:That was a different story.
Nate:So anyway, yes. Sean Astin, I thought was super cute in the role as a young kid, Josh Brolin did a great job. I think they, it's a kid's movie, and they were clearly having a blast on set, watching it for the first time as an adult. You probably glaringly see all of that. And then watching is it as a kid, you look past all of that.
Cayleigh:It did remind me I had a video camera when I was a kid. Because I was interested in movies and you know, filmmaking, everything like that super aid. And, and a totally reminded me of, like, I would watch back something we would record where it would just get out of hand. Yeah. And I would delete it because like, even as a kid, I was like, well, that's garbage. Useless. I can't do anything with that. And it was bringing me back to get out of hand.
Jackie:It gets out of hand. I cheated on my history exam in fourth grade is still my Uncle Max is to pay and I glued it on my face.
Fish:Yeah.
Jackie:To do that, love that so
Cayleigh:you don't remember what he's being tracked
Nate:for tele trunks confessing to everything
Jackie:I've ever done. I mixed a pot of fake puke at home and then went to this movie theater. Had the puke in my jacket climbed out to the balcony and then and then I made a noise like so good. I die every time I didn't fact check this but someone had said that that was I think Steven Spielberg story that he had actually done that oh yeah, I should probably fact check that but that actually came from someone
Nate:I think as a kid to the the idea of hunting for buried treasure or pirate treasure is just like, amazed. I always
Fish:wondered a metal detector as a kid like you'd see in the magazine. Yeah, right. And then when you saw somebody like on the beach doing it It looked so like kind of lame and maybe sad. So made me second guess that but then I would always still want and I'm like, damn, I want a mentally taxing my brother
Nate:got a metal detector when we
Cayleigh:were kids. There's some good tick tock of metal
Fish:detectors and what you can do right now.
Cayleigh:Especially in Europe, they find some really good stuff in Europe.
Fish:There Yeah. Can I get a metal detector old like the earth not gonna stop you? Oh, yeah.
Cayleigh:I ever sent.
Fish:I'll keep asking different stuff. But as a kid, I always thought data was cool. I was like two little inventions. Yeah. Really cool.
Jackie:There's no way those teeth would hold them up, though. No, can we all admit that?
Fish:Yeah. What were they what do they call me the power or something? Yeah, it was.
Cayleigh:It was given to me big Inspector Gadget five. Yeah, totally. Which I love that cartoon. At all, did he play? He did a live action. All they did was indeed, sounds bad.
Jackie:Can I just say my favorite scene is when Mikey and dad are skipping. It's so cute. There's no skipping, like skipping. It's so wholesome. When are they skipping like in when they're in the cave? They just like are skipping together. ARM and ARM. Ah, I think they were arm and arm.
Nate:Did you say the one I really skull was a real human skull too.
Jackie:Yeah, I read that it was someone's skull.
Cayleigh:And I think unfortunate. Yeah, there's a whole you can buy skeletal remains. And there's a whole like controversy. And most of them are like, I would say 99% of them are not ethically sourced.
Nate:Yeah, there's a right way process controversy.
Cayleigh:Well, it's nine grave robberies. A lot of them are prisoners from China and India. Yikes. There was a guy again on Tik Tok, who was showing off. He's one of the largest. He owns the largest spine collection human spine collection in the world. And he owns a lot of skeletal remains his claim to fame. Right? Well, he's just a guy. He's not a scientist. He's not a professor. There's nothing educational happening. He's just a guy with too much money, who goes around procuring skeletal remains and a lot of people came for him and was like this spine. This is fucked up. These were not obtained ethically. And he kept being like, well, they're legal. I have them legally. There's nothing illegal about my collection. And it's like no one's arguing that this is illegal. This is an ethical and it was very common. People weren't making high quality prop skeletons. So it was pretty common to use actual human remains for a certain period.
Fish:It looked almost mummified, because the didn't look like a regular skull to me. Tom was a little off. But either way, maybe they didn't look like a regular some effects on Yeah.
Cayleigh:Seems weird, though, in the 80s, that they were still it does doing that.
Nate:Yeah. I think you've read that somewhere.
Cayleigh:That's drawn the line about realism. We can't make a fake one for this one. Right.
Jackie:I think the whole like gimmick was Why did the school look so real? And then they say it is real? And again, probably needs more fact checking. Yeah, just
Cayleigh:like you'd be on Snopes. Right. Because I know there was like a whole i And again, I don't remember if it's actually an urban legend, or if it's been verified, but that the original Pirates of the Caribbean right at Disneyland used real skeletal remains. And I think that when it first opened that was true because I think that's how I learned about how that it was pretty common back in the day because of again, how unfortunately easy it was to procure these unethical skeletal remains that are still being bought and trade today. But that there the urban legend is that it's still there. It's not there. 100% They've got rid of it. But people still claim that that right is haunted and that the remains are there could be haunted. So that's the Haunted Mansion. It's a cool ride. It is.
Jackie:There's quite a few saying it is real. Even IMDB.
Nate:I spent a whole day riding that ride just getting off getting back on the best.
Jackie:Oh and Richard Donner kept one eyed Willie sculpt. Oh,
Cayleigh:okay. Yeah, I don't know came in the spine guy. What thought Fuck.
Fish:Somebody should ask them on that Zoom. Call
Nate:it real.
Fish:It'd be like, Oh, my mic isn't working again. I can.
Jackie:Yes, it was. It was painful to watch.
Fish:really impact our boys, Sean Astin when Sean gives that when I really speech so that was kind of improvised. So the director told In the story right before they started filming that scene, so he didn't have time to memorize it or read it over. And he was like, you know, here's the story. Go up there and try to tell it as best you can add in whatever you need to so came across as like, he was kind of excited and trying to get it out. But it it seemed interesting it was
Nate:to where he's talking to one I believe at the end.
Jackie:Yeah, he's talking about this goal. Not when they're in the app, I
Fish:thought I thought that was when they were in the attic
Nate:when they're in the the story on the story about okay, um,
Jackie:maybe I would definitely read the one where he's talking to one eyed Willy.
Fish:No, I don't know which one it is.
Jackie:I don't either. No, I can't see either one. When
Fish:I read this, I thought they were talking about when they were in the attic and he was like, tell him the story. About one I really and the trigger happened and he's like, getting all into like, really excited. And the kids are like, like, oh my gosh, yeah, you know, hanging on his every word and like, Whoa, what a story.
Jackie:Now, I don't know. I don't either actually that's I could see both. But how about how mouth can read old timey Spanish up in the attic?
Cayleigh:Yeah, that was so random.
Fish:All right, and you can speak Spanish like I was like, Why can he speak when he's spoken with the housekeeper?
Jackie:I do like that. The reason they put that in is so he could read the map right
Cayleigh:but like why though, why can't you Why does he fluent in Spanish
Fish:parents are like on him about learning language. Yeah,
Jackie:I like that. They introduce it before he gets up to the map fish. You are right. It was telling them about one eyed Willie. Yeah, it's improvised not him talking to one eyed Willy
Fish:but seeing more on point for an improvisational story. He has no the scene when they're in the cave and brand. Josh Brolin is like pulling the rock aside and then all these bats fly out. And it looks obviously fake. So those bats are like bow ties and black paper mache and then blasting them out of like an air cannon. And then once you like zoom in, you could see like hanging on fishy strings or something and just it's obviously so bad. It's funny.
Nate:It was funny. I was also thinking that he was probably in the best spot for bats to come flying out because he could just lean against the wall and they'd all fly past like, oh,
Fish:move on my. It's like Batman's origin right there. Maybe Josh Brolin will play Batman one day.
Nate:Do you guys watch the Cyndi Lauper music video with the Goonies? No, so dumb. So 80s Like Cyndi Lauper crawls through, like moves a painting. Yeah, they have like restaurant or shop. And she, she moves it and there's a hole in the wall. So she crawls through it, then she winds up in the cave, and
Jackie:it's like, this part two damn catchy song.
Nate:It was the song was it in the credits?
Jackie:They know it was in the on the TV when in the very beginning. Well, final thoughts on the Goonies?
Fish:Nope, I got a few more things to throw out there.
Cayleigh:Rapid and go. So final thoughts.
Fish:So the Goonies takes place in the same universe as the Gremlins movie, right. And that one scene when Chuck is calling the police station, because I was like, hey, you know, there's this kid that was calling about the little creatures that multiply when he pour water on them. I did not catch that because he thinks he's just pranking them again. So I thought that was a cool nod. So that pirate ship they actually built it took two months to build. And when the actors saw that they saw it for the first time so that kind of like like wow factor was there for him. And when they slid down that waterslide that wasn't actually but versatile water slow that
Jackie:back to your ship one where they were supposed to see it for the first time. Did somebody sneaky speak? No, they didn't sneak a peek. But they all swore so much that they had to redo it and
Cayleigh:get those goddamn sales sale. Slap my ass and call me a bitch. I can't believe it. Oh, look at that thing
Fish:so at the end of the movie, another thing that was left in data was talking to the report news reporters. He was like, Oh, the octopus was really scary. Yeah, there was no octopus in the final take. But did you see that? It's so stupid. There's a reason I deleted it. It was so sorry. It was seen the line
Jackie:totally still works because you get the sense of kids exaggerating, right? They're just so over the top. It's so excited.
Fish:What they can do like everything escaped from the octopus because the data is underwater. And then he has he pulls out his like, little boombox thing or whatever and hits play and shoves it in like the octopus is like mouth. And then the I suppose like freaks out and starts like swimming away and like dancing.
Jackie:Very realistic.
Fish:But yeah, that was weird. We also have to throw out there that in 2017 The was selected for presentation preservation in the US National Film Registry by the Library of Congress. They must have all just been too nostalgic for this movie to do that, because I don't know if it doesn't live up to the elite deserves to be preserved by the library.
Jackie:It does.
Fish:So there's that. Proof that kids yeah, I think our next movie should be preserved
Cayleigh:anyway. Um, yeah, I mean, I don't have beef with this movie. I'm not like beef and with kids and stuff, but I respect that if I was a child, it would probably be dope, but I don't want to watch it ever again.
Fish:Ever. Never. Never said I.
Cayleigh:I'm not a Goonie I respect that about myself. I'm not going to insert myself in a culture that I'm not raised
Fish:Goonies t shirt.
Jackie:See? You're allowed to say how much you hate this because you're making me feel better for the next movie.
Cayleigh:I don't hate it. I literally just got done saying.
Jackie:I'm sorry in advance. You better not hate that. I'm sorry in advance a great movie
Cayleigh:gonna like it after I google.
Fish:Any sports movies.
Jackie:I will get into it.
Fish:Back to sports movies.
Cayleigh:And we're back. We're ready to kick off.
Jackie:Oh, I see what you did there,
Cayleigh:Rudy with a plot.
Fish:Rudy has been told his entire life that he'll never make it to Notre Dame to play football. Still, he can't let his dream go even as he finds himself working in the steel mill, and preparing to take the next step with his girlfriend. When his best friend dies from an accident at work, he decides to make his dreams a reality really speaks with a priest at Notre Dame enrolls him in a semester at a neighboring school, telling him that if he works hard enough, he can transfer to Notre Dame. He participates in extracurricular activities, works as a groundskeeper with a man named fortunate and works hard to keep his grades up after discovering he is dyslexic. After three rejections, he is finally accepted into Notre Dame, where he is able to try out for the football team. He makes it on the team because of his heart and dedication. But he's never told to suit up in his senior year. He tries to convince the new coach Dan Devine in one of the last games of the season with the coach refuses out of frustration, Rudy quits until fortunately, but to send that he'll regret it really returns as its fellow seniors lay down their jerseys on the coach's desk, in an attempt to convince Coach Devine to let him play in the final moments of the fourth quarter. Rudy still hasn't been sent in his teammates and the fans all start chanting Rudy Rudy Rudy coach divined finally let them on the field. He has the final sack of the game and is carried off the field on the shoulders of his teammates.
Jackie:Oh, allow your little addition there.
Fish:That's a that's a great movie. That is a great movie I can tell already just by the amazing movie. Awesome.
Cayleigh:There was some fish facts about that amazing movie.
Fish:Sadly, gladly. Rudy was released on October 22 1993. And with a budget of around 12 million went on to make over 22 million sleeper hit
Nate:called classes some might call it a flop,
Fish:directed by David and spell written by Angelo pizza, and starring Sean Astin, Ned Bedi, Charles S. Dutton, Lily Taylor, Robert Trotsky, Jon Favreau, and more.
Nate:And that's fun in there.
Fish:I know. I can't list every single actor can. I cannot. And yes, it was John fabros. And Vince Vaughn's first films. I was very excited to see those two first credited.
Nate:They went on to do more together, like Swingers, and
Fish:they were swinging. I never saw swingers swinging as good.
Cayleigh:As I say, I don't like Vince Vaughn. And I don't know that I've seen a lot of his work. I just don't like him. I don't and that's how I feel about it. I just, I don't like I don't think I would like anything he's ever done.
Nate:I don't think I don't think swingers is gonna change your brain to put on tick
Cayleigh:tock. I'll stand by it. I don't like him
Jackie:base.
Cayleigh:I don't like your face. Seen.
Jackie:He's fine. I'm in a bad
Cayleigh:vibe.
Fish:So I'm getting the vibe that Jackie really doesn't like this movie. Well, Phil, start
Nate:with who? Yeah, I seen this movie before. I
Cayleigh:haven't seen it before. Okay, Jackie, before it.
Nate:I saw it probably shortly after it came
Fish:out. Really? Yeah. And you've seen it a few times since? Actually, no,
Nate:I think that was the One and only time the first time I saw it. Oh,
Jackie:so you weren't super inspired?
Nate:I would say probably inspired as you know, as any kid would be watching the movie, and looking past a lot of the stuff that you'd notice as an adult.
Fish:So yeah, I've seen this movie a lot. This is David and I grew up not too far from like South Bend Notre Dame and whatnot. So
Nate:alright, so you can help you can help us out. I'll help. Jackie was asking during the movie. Why is Notre Dame such a big deal football school? It's highly
Cayleigh:ranked.
Jackie:Yeah. Well, I'm trying to understand why someone would get that obsessed
Cayleigh:from the football aspect or why is it a prestigious school? No,
Jackie:not in just that. So so specific, not even football, like I get just wanting to play football. Right? Like why does someone gets so fixated on one playing at one specific place? Regardless of the place? Yeah, regardless of the place.
Cayleigh:So like, for instance, where Notre Dame is, you could be a colts fan. You could be a Bears fan. You could be a Lions fan. But like you're not close to Detroit. If you're living in the South Bend area. You're not You're close ish to Chicago, but you probably don't have warm fuzzy feelings towards Chicago. Yeah. And you're not close to Indianapolis. So it's in kind of a strange spot. But even my own family growing up. It's one of the closer, prestigious big 10 schools, which is a huge deal in college football. Yeah. And so like, for instance, yeah.
Fish:They've they've been independent for quite a while. Oh, I
Cayleigh:thought they were part of the big 10. No.
Fish:When did they I think they're in some conference now. But they've been on their own independent conference for a long, long, long, long,
Nate:but the premise the premise still stands.
Cayleigh:Yeah, like you grow up and like either, it's an alma mater thing, like your family went there. And so you feel a kinship for that space. Like I have a lot of friends who had nothing to do with a lion eye football, but they're obsessed with a lion eye football, and they don't miss a game and they go to bars to watch the football games, their kids are probably going to want to go to Illinois, University of Illinois. So I think it's a similar thing there. But But even beyond that, my dad didn't go to Notre Dame and him and his family were super into Notre Dame football. My uncle on my mom's side, same thing. And I think that stems from them being blue collar and Catholic.
Jackie:That was my one guess
Nate:your point about hey, you could be in the South Bend area and be a Bears fan, a Lions fan or a colts fan. But one common theme is you're probably a Notre Dame. Yeah, exactly. Regardless of who your NFL team was big time and the blue collar aspect to when this movie took place, and for a long time before it and after it was was big college football was a thing. Do the games are on Saturdays and Sundays. So it's
Cayleigh:more accessible to works like game? Yeah. Like not just watch it on television, but actually go to a stadium and watch it, especially if you're local. Yep. So it's a huge cultural,
Fish:there's a lot of factors behind that. Yeah, I think you touched on all of them. Yeah. And if you really liked those things, and of, if you're a sports family and grew up watching a team, and you play sports, you probably want to play for that team. So I think it's just as simple as that
Nate:every family kind of has its thing, right, though, or sports family or we're in ice skating or we're into whatever. It's like you're kind of raised on it. Now, I'll be the first to say he kind of took it a little too far, like maybe a little abrasive and pushing his, his dreams on other people
Jackie:and felt obsessive, very go.
Nate:Yeah. I was looking for
Jackie:very fixated, couldn't get away from it. Little concerning.
Fish:No, he had a dream in your childhood through. And it's a worthy dream. I mean, first of all, you can't you have to you have to be accepted into Notre Dame to be an athlete there. So first of all, he has to these are high goals. Yeah. His family has never been to college. Right. He's a first generation
Jackie:college to Notre Dame's a great dream. Yes. And that's step
Fish:one, right? Step two, you know, get on the team somehow, you know, walk on the team. So I mean, it's a multi tiered goal and plan and just getting in and already was a huge part of it. That's like,
Cayleigh:even getting on the marching band at Notre Dame.
Jackie:Very different.
Cayleigh:Yeah, there's not
Fish:what's the difference between heaven had been so obsessed about getting on the team and someone being so obsessed about getting into a school just
Jackie:know that I think it's different. And it's not the issue of having a dream is not my issue. Was him having a dream is not my issue. It's that it is how you go about getting it that and some people just aren't suited for stuff. We've talked about this on In other podcasts, and he even said in interviews, I wasn't a great athlete. He wasn't a great athlete. He wasn't built for football.
Fish:Good enough to make it on the team as a welcome because of that heart and
Jackie:because of the persistence, yes. But was he actually good enough
Nate:to play? And I others didn't think so. He only dress one game.
Jackie:I know everyone thought I was gonna hate this movie because it's a sports movie. And I don't hate all sports movies actually thought I'd be okay with this movie. I was getting ready for the like, underdog in the we're all gonna win. And this was gonna be so exciting. And yeah, yes. But it's really it felt more like a man living out delusions of grandeur to me.
Fish:How's the delusion of grandeur? If he actually succeeds? It did he succeed, though. Yeah, he got into the University. Definitely. That is great. And she made it on the football team.
Jackie:But the team thing he's just the football obsession, if it happened,
Cayleigh:so let's also get this out of the way really quick so that we can have the full conversation. The movie is nothing like the reality even slightly. The guy who it's based off of claims that is like 90% True. It's not. It's not it's not Yeah, he still did. The fact that
Nate:he got into the woods. Yes,
Cayleigh:the fact that he got into Notre Dame did happen. And that's an amazing story. The fact that he got on the walk on that's an amazing story, the fact that he got to dress for a game, all that did happen and that and the tackle to me and the tackle the sack like that all and I
Fish:launch baby gobble gobble him into it.
Cayleigh:I did very much enjoy this movie. And I like the story. I think it just really resonates with me being a first generation college student. I obviously didn't. I didn't have a Rudy moment. But like, I don't know, I was like walking on air and watching it. And I was rooting for him just because I related a lot to the story. But I digress. So like
Fish:something what your mind, Rudy?
Jackie:Here's your Rooney moment.
Cayleigh:So let's let's get that out of there really quick. It didn't happen. If it did happen, how it happened in the movie, if it did happen, like the movie did, and not how it happened in real life. Like, I would be into that if that happened to me. Like if I tried to get into a couple of schools that I couldn't because I had a really bad home life. And so my grades were not good because I could not focus on my studies. I had to go to community college in order to get my grades up so I could get into college. I had to settle for a college that it now I'm glad I went to and I'm really happy had the experiences that I have, but it's not the college I remotely wanted to go to I was super disappointed. I went through a lot of heartbreak my senior year, my freshman year at community college. So it's like, if I could have had what he had in March and a big 10 Marching Band. Even if it was just for one game, even if it was just for the opening for them when they run out in the field and you just have the drumline and you're really just holding your instrument you're not playing that would have been the best day of my life
Fish:therapy right now.
Cayleigh:So that happened how it happened in the movie. Yes, he was a little crazy. I got vibes that maybe he wasn't quite all there. Yeah.
Nate:That's the part that bugged me is not the not the story of like, going for your goals and attaining it, but like yeah, breaking it, like basically breaking into the coach's office and being like, hey, you know, right like it bordered like, stalking, behavior or like harassment,
Cayleigh:but I also think it was released at a time where it wasn't stalking behavior, harassment, it was really how many boomers have told you, Hey, kid, you want a job? You just go up to the manager's office. And yeah, you're bringing my gift and you're right on the lettering and demand to see him. Because back in the day, it was about you got to make an impression you got to stand out now in times we have to stand out in a professional way.
Fish:took place in like the early 70s. Yeah, you see
Jackie:that mentality play out here? Yeah, is all you need to do is just walk up to people. And then and what you deserve back
Cayleigh:in the day, they weren't wrong. So they weren't wrong. You had to make an impression. It doesn't work that way anymore. So that's why they seem like old man yells at Cloud when they tell you like, just go to the office and talk to the manager and you're like, it's online now. They would carry me out in handcuffs. Yeah. It wasn't like that back in the day.
Fish:I mean, I see your point. But I think it's just representative of the times. And it's not like he kept, you know, showing up at the office day after day.
Nate:As a comment to like in the bar scene with the girl where he's painting the helmets. He stops her at the bar and he's like, kinda, he's like, please, you know, please be please. At least he stops and doesn't like follow her onto the bar. Right, you know, go crossed that line. Yeah, because it's also
Cayleigh:Sean Astin and Sean Astin has never played a bad person. Yes. And
Jackie:he makes some very likeable.
Fish:The mic is pointed at your brain because I have a lot of thoughts all the time. The
Nate:mic is always pointed at our brain.
Jackie:It sounds like he did the same thing. So the real Rudy did the same thing. To get this movie made,
Cayleigh:yeah. Oh, for sure. We don't talk about real room.
Jackie:Obviously, I wouldn't be interested in the movie of real Rudy. I was reading this. It was an ESPN interview and they describe it. The interviewer describes him as likable, likable ly abrasive. Yeah. And multiple times mentioned. You know, you find yourself wanting to believe every story that Rudy tells, even if they seem too good to be true. Maybe
Cayleigh:Rudy is big fish.
Jackie:I do okay. I immediately as I was reading this article, it reminded me of this coworker I had that Oh,
Nate:yes, we won't name
Jackie:names. We won't know. Yeah, I'm hesitating to name his name, but everyone at my work knew him and he always had a tale to tell. He found a dumpster baby and raised it. He had five different types of cancers that he got over. He told every type story he bad bunny rabbits. Yes, He breeds giant bunny rabbits and hence 10 breeds of chickens in the suburbs, which, yeah, it's one of those things where you never know what's actually true,
Cayleigh:because he's like big fish. And he's kind of true good could be. Don't be
Jackie:that guy.
Fish:But he is weird. Compare this. This is exactly
Jackie:when I was reading this interview. This coworker is exactly who I haven't maybe he found
Nate:a little bunny in a dumpster. And it was a baby and then he raised it to a big money that could have been
Fish:this was bring it back to the movie. Okay, people, the great movie that it is inspirational. It's the whole hearted movie. You know, it's you're looking at it from these, like, I don't know, you're looking at through some strange lenses that I have never seen a movie through. But I can't even
Cayleigh:try to pretend like I'm like neutral because David sat next to me while I watched it and I was fully invested. Candle like Scott to get it this time. He's got a it's got to happen.
Jackie:And I think it's it's positive that the story does resonate with so many people and that people like David and Kaylee your first time watching it. That doesn't mean something, you can definitely appreciate that.
Nate:Like the first time I remember watching it the first time it was like, Wow, very uplifting, inspirational story. And this time it was more through today's lens saying okay, there's some cringe moments of him, like going to the coach and stuff like that. It's more to your point, it wouldn't fly today. Otherwise, I generally liked the movie,
Fish:I think I think you'll still have to think about, at least from Moose perspective. He's all just doing the stuff on the fly. Yep. Right. He has no experience with any of this. And that's the part I related to a lot. So I think where he maybe goes a little overboard from swingers perspective is just him trying to figure something different. Yeah. And I don't think he necessarily crosses lines. Maybe from your perspective, he kind of does, but he's just trying different things to figure it out. I
Nate:think even they did a good job of like, even at the even through today's lines, like he goes up to that line. But he doesn't cross. Yeah.
Fish:He realizes, okay, you know, Thanks, Colin. Nice to see, you know, we'll
Nate:see you next fall. Yeah, apologizes to the Secretary on the way out, you know, at the bar when he's talking to the girl after painting the helmets, it's, you know, oops, I'm
Fish:not a student anymore. Yeah, please, please, can
Nate:you just look the other way? No, I'm sorry, I can't do that. Okay, go back to drinking your beer. Right. And he doesn't cross that line. But it's still like through today's lens, it's a little bit cringe worthy, but I get what you're saying about, like, he doesn't know what to do. We lived in a small town, right? So he's trying to figure it all out, you know, and he made the made the comment in the movie or the line in the movie that he's he's tired of people telling him what he can and can't do.
Jackie:Yeah. And that I mean, that resonates with a lot of people, and I can't fault him for trying. But again, something like football, you need to have the build and have the skill. And like we don't even see him weight training during it
Fish:was running. He was running. Yes.
Jackie:But there was a I remember this from a few years ago, and we rewatched it after this. Did you guys ever watch that? SNL Robbie, or did you see this pop up in your research? No, they got the point across exactly the problem. I have JJ Watt on SNL. Yeah, so there's this character, Robbie, and they're all like, play him coach play him just put him in. Here's my jersey. And then you have Kenan Thompson standing in for fortune. And Robbie's like, yeah, he said that I I have what it takes I shouldn't be put on the field. And Ken Thompson is like, well, unfortunately, passion doesn't mean anything at this level. That's not what I said. Like it doesn't mean anything.
Fish:But that's also why he never actually played right. It's not like he got field. Yeah. I mean, he was just a practice dummy. Yeah. And every team needs those people on their team. So that's what he was. And he had the heart to do that. And he could keep getting up taking, you know, out of the film a little bit. Rudy was actually An avid boxer at Notre Dame. So he was part of the Bengal bouts Boxing Club. And he was actually well known for being just like, you know, he would not stop. Not that he would like, kill anyone by any means. But you know, he got knocked down to get back up again.
Jackie:Which I didn't know before this that there were actually players that just never play, and didn't know that was
Fish:most players on any given team that really don't get any play time. That's wild. You need backups. That's your starter, the starter gets injured. Yeah.
Jackie:That's so wild to me. Because my brother did basketball in college and how much time? I mean, that was his whole college career. Like how much time you have to put in just training. And then to never play is wild. What a waste of college. Yeah,
Cayleigh:like fortune said, you walk out with an education. Yeah,
Jackie:I know that. Yes. I'm all for
Cayleigh:you. It's not a waste. What a waste unfortunate said Fuck you, man. Education. You got to play with the best guys.
Fish:But it's tougher for me. Because Rudy was never scholarship. Some of the scouts don't play. Yeah, but they stick with it because they still have to maintain their scholarship. Yeah, yeah. Rudy is just a walk on no scholarship, and still doesn't play. So it's like, you got to keep playing and you gotta
Nate:be there and don't Yeah, and every sport every college sports a little bit different. But almost every sport has a first and second string. If you're on the second string, there's no guarantee you'll ever get your play. Yeah. And I think they go into third string and fourth string and then practice.
Cayleigh:Yeah, yeah, definitely. What I've learned from this is when you're watching a sports movie, and it says inspired by Truven don't research it. Don't look into it. It's a good cool.
Jackie:Runnings. Anyone?
Cayleigh:There's nothing your problems, Rudy. Cool. Runnings. Miracle was so bad, but there was Liberty's blind side, which we haven't watched, we probably I probably take a stance that we aren't going to watch. Yeah. Yeah, just don't just don't appreciate it for the inspirational tale that creative people decided it
Nate:would because it is a movie, they have to tell a story. Yeah. Which means at some point, they're probably gonna take liberties. Yeah.
Fish:Just like making Dan Devine be a dick. Like
Nate:the enemy. Yeah. Apparently he was the one that said, Put Rudy in. Yeah.
Fish:In real life. Yeah.
Cayleigh:And he signed off on being allowed to be portrayed that way that he wouldn't
Fish:have realized how bad
Nate:because he because the other thing like yeah, that's kind of a whole Jersey laying on the desk that that never happened. Yeah. And there was an interview, at least one, there's probably been multiple with Joe Montana. Now, who was,
Cayleigh:I think, not very favorable.
Nate:I think he was injured earlier in the year. And so he was watching the whole thing from the sidelines. He was a freshman when he was a senior. Yeah. So there's a couple things after some comments in the Joe Montana interview, it's like, okay, how common is you know, seniors playing and apparently there is senior day where they try and get everybody you know, on the field and stuff like that. So it's not that uncommon that if he was on the squad that he got on the field, in one game, you know, in his senior year, getting a second the game, it's pretty good. I guess when they carried them off in real life. It was the guy's being more of like a prank like, Hey, we're gonna carry him off and everything and Montana was like, Don't do that. But they did it anyway. And yeah, so to your point, Kaylee doesn't paint them in a in a very noble light at all,
Cayleigh:when Joe Montana also was quoted saying that Rudy didn't have any more heart than anyone else on the team as far as like determination or like it wasn't this you know, the they make it a point in the movie to say he's going so hard he's acting like every practice is the Super Bowl but but but that was the time she's got heart. Yeah, and that wasn't in reality.
Fish:You're also that's also the perspective of a freshman what is the 18 years old? right first time on like a, you know, university level play. So I think I know how much I can take. Yeah, I'm
Cayleigh:not gonna take Joe Montana's word was like the gospel of what actually happened. There is enough proof that like, it didn't happen, how the movie suddenly happened, but as far as these like finer details, but it is one person who is there's perspective for sure. Yeah,
Nate:I started the real life. Sorry, Jackie, outside of the real life. What happened? What didn't? They made it into an inspirational movie? And I think, to your point earlier, it's like, when you watch these movies, we should probably not Look anything up beforehand. Oh, yeah, I didn't look forward during like the very beginning.
Fish:Oh, my mouth I will say so leave it till after you're done watching.
Jackie:Yeah. So yes he there's obviously some problems but what he does have his persistence, like real Rudy clearly had persistence to do all of this stuff to get into Notre Dame to get on the team and to make this movie so, I mean, I haven't done that shit and there's lots of things I want to do and I haven't so I will give him that
Fish:Rudy. Rudy. Rudy. Yeah, let's go and join in. Because y'all don't like the move
Jackie:back to creative liberties really quick. Did anyone catch right before his friend dies? That burning ring of fire is playing on the jukebox? Oh, I did not catch that. I was trying to figure out if that's foreshadowing,
Cayleigh:probably
Fish:when they're in or just far, far.
Jackie:I fell into a burning ring a bar.
Fish:Fortunately he did.
Nate:I didn't catch it. It was playing on the jukebox. And Jackie goes, Jackie
Jackie:you were singing started singing it.
Nate:Singing Johnny on the jukebox. And I'm like, oh foreshadowing.
Jackie:needs like, oh, dark Jackie bags.
Fish:I've never seen the film Hoosiers. But this is like the team. Think like the director and the writer that made the film pushers.
Nate:It's a good movie.
Jackie:Apparently he inspirational. It's pushed for him. But that guy didn't want to do it because he was not a fan. And he was a Hoosier.
Fish:I thought, well, there might be some things we can agree on. So I liked especially some of the cinematography scenes when they're playing football. So it was actually filmed that the there's like a company or that that people that were filming NFL so NFL films, shot the game scenes. Oh, that's cool. So it kind of gave you that vibe of an actual game, an actual game as opposed to something cinematic where you're, like, come in for a hit and just feel like, you know, like an explosion, like when something hits him, you know? So it felt very real from that perspective. And I did like that. I appreciated that
Nate:it really did. I mean when they're playing like, even when they're practicing, and he's getting tackled over and over and over again. You're just like one of the montages Yeah, one of the
Jackie:one of the many montages. There's good montages. There were some touches on montages. Great music.
Fish:I guess I was too busy watching the movie to pay attention to the music. That's how
Nate:you know it's good. Yeah, I was gonna say just the shots of the campus in the stadium. And have you guys been? We have not I have. Oh, Jackie has Yeah, she has been to a game. I visited
Jackie:a friend when she was a freshman. I was a senior in high school. First time drinking.
Nate:You went to a game, right?
Jackie:I did. Yeah. It was cool.
Cayleigh:Down Jesus. Yeah.
Jackie:I don't remember it that well.
Nate:There's so you've been to a game or a couple. Many games. Have you done maths with the players?
Fish:No, I never. I've never done
Cayleigh:that when we go.
Nate:If you can, told
Fish:me a lot of the scenes, we're in the Shawn shots of the campus. And this was the second film that Notre Dame allowed to be filmed on their campus. New rock new film from like the 40s or something. And this was the second one they allowed to be filmed. I was like, oh, no, that place had been there. Been there because maybe as some of the listeners know, I worked for Notre Dame landscaping as a summer job for a couple of summers Nice.
Nate:poops. Yeah. I didn't realize it was Notre Dame that.
Fish:Yeah. And so got to know a lot of the ins and outs of the whole campus and all the scenes with the different buildings and whatnot. It's definitely a different perspective. And you've been you know, it all nice.
Cayleigh:Weren't some of the priests and stuff in the background actual Notre Dame employees?
Fish:Yeah. So in the film, they show like father Cavanaugh, right? Yep. He's he. I don't know if he was at the time president. But I know he was president of Notre Dame for a while.
Jackie:Did we recognize the main priest that was talking to him? Yeah, they called it
Fish:as the actor. Yeah. Yeah. Who who was made
Nate:from he was the boss from Mrs. Doubtfire.
Jackie:Drunken dinner see
Cayleigh:you? Interesting. He's got range.
Nate:He likes a sketch,
Jackie:looking for a waitress friend.
Fish:So he was the 14th, president of the University of Notre Dame from 1946 219 52. He was born. He was born in 1899. And he would have passed away not long after he was represented in the movie in 1979. So yeah, because I went to high school and literally right next to Notre Dame like you could walk there. And when I ran cross country, you know, when they show I'm like walking around a lake right there. Yeah. So there's two lakes and if you do like a figure, each Lake is about a mile long so if you do a figure eight run both lakes about two miles so there's many, many times that would run around Notre Dame campus or do a couple figure eights around the lakes. So that was pretty cool. And the Holy Cross which is right there too. That's where he went it was like a junior college and I think in the not too distant past they actually have some four year degrees you can get there but it's kind of always been I think, like a two year junior Tech College. So a lot of people would get in there and try to you know get into Notre Dame from there that was kind of like the Notre Dame stepping stone pretty much was Holy Cross it's all right there they're all like right next to each other Holy Cross Notre Dame and then there's St. Mary's it's an all girl all woman college.
Nate:I heard him say Juliet college in the beginning, high school. No college in the beginning of the movie is like your grades aren't good enough to get into Jolie. Oh, yeah, let alone Notre Dame. And it took me a man I was like, Are they just in the area but it was like he was born and raised in Joliet. So Joliet South Bend now is not that far, if you've got your own car, but when he's taking the bus there, and it's like, his parents aren't supporting him. And, you know, he's on his own. It's like, that's really stepping out there. Yeah, it's like, yeah, I mean, you don't have a he didn't have a safety net. Right. It was go and figure this out. Or,
Fish:and the way they portrayed them. He was he had, he was paying his way through right. Yep. Which made it even tougher. So athlete, student and working. Yep. So just non stop 24/7 Go, which made it even more of an accomplishment? I thought the way it was portrayed them the film.
Cayleigh:Absolutely. Because in real life, would he have been getting the benefits of the GI Bill?
Fish:Yeah. It's for Holy Cross in Notre Dame. Yeah. You did.
Cayleigh:Because just for listeners at home or didn't did not work at a steel mill. He went to the Navy.
Nate:Oh, see, I didn't know that. Yeah,
Jackie:he was and then he worked for Nate. He ended up working at a power plant right after it wasn't a steel mill. But he did. He never worked at a steel mill. And I know for sure. I think he actually had a friend die at the power plant.
Fish:Not sure. That makes Oh no, he was in the Navy for couple years. He was one of 14 kids.
Cayleigh:Now that's one thing that I don't get in the movie. Life 14 kids a lot of them are boys. Why is he the only Rudy why did why is he the one with that nickname
Fish:was the oldest boy so he might have got the nickname first got it? Yeah, that makes sense. So he didn't have an older brother as portrayed in the film but the older brother represented all the people that said you know you can't do this you can't go to Notre Dame you can play football. And then the other guy fortune represented everyone who kind of helped him along this way. Yeah,
Jackie:composite characters.
Nate:Yeah, so he probably would have had some help from the GI bill because that came out in 1944 14 Kids is a lot
Cayleigh:that's especially in there in Joliet. So it's not like a farm family. And they're
Nate:no that's like, like
Cayleigh:the 60s or 70s. But it's still a lot even for that. Brain is what I'm saying. Like that's, like seven kids. Okay, that's that seems about right. 14 too many. That's a soccer team.
Jackie:That's a Duggar family.
Nate:Take good care.
Cayleigh:I was just gonna say good Catholics.
Fish:That's why they love Notre Dame. No, I hope you guys give this movie another shot.
Jackie:Like Sean Astin. He's the whole movie
Nate:Pretty much. Like I say, I don't I can look past the today's lens on some of the cringe moments like I would never Kaylee to your point, like, go up and like, barge in and be like, Hey, I'm here. And I'll you know, I'm gonna work so hard. You'll see me next fall, this kind of stuff.
Cayleigh:But I also wonder like, we're not the most extroverted group of people here.
Fish:I mean, the coach gate, sorry to interrupt, but the coach gave him a minute. He wasn't like, ya know, just leave like who the hell are you like, get the fuck out of here. Like the coach welcomed him in and he shared, he shared a short story with the coach and a bit of an impression with them. So to me, I don't really see any cringe by that like, even through okay, through today's lens, you probably aren't going to do that. But if someone keeps you there and it's like, sometimes you need to make your way into a place and if you're allowed to stay there, take your shot if you're not allowed to stay there or if you're getting kicked out Okay, leave that but if you need to If you can make your way to a place and you can take a shot, take a shot. It may be a little, you know, non conventional how you get to that place to talk to a person, but that's just a stepping stone on his waiting for him, I think and I don't really see a problem.
Cayleigh:No, that's like I was in the same sense. Like, as a non extrovert, I feel like extroverted people and people who aren't going to let like society's rules dictate their behavior and how they should or shouldn't, whatever tend to have a leg up. I've seen a lot of instances where I didn't get something that I would have maybe liked. And someone who got it where we were maybe on the same skill level, same, whatever got it simply because they stuck in that person's brain. Yeah, that person thinks about them when they leave the activity or the club
Nate:or whatever, even just asking for something or, yeah,
Cayleigh:I remembered a lie. Yeah, yeah, it's one of those personalities, but like, it also one thing that it kept, like triggering in my brain was when I was trying to apply to a lot of the colleges, I wasn't even going to apply. I was like, this is stupid, I, they're not going to accept me. And my guidance counselor just kept reiterating, nothing ventured, nothing gained. And that's like something I've taken with me for my whole life. When I want to be introverted and want to say, well, they're not going to want me they're not going to pick me. I'm not going to be right for this. This is stupid. I literally hear His voice, nothing ventured, nothing gained. And I'll stop. I won't pull a full Rudy. But you know, I'll step outside my comfort zone and I'll try and be a little more extroverted. I'll try and stand out. I'll try and just ask point blank because nothing ventured, nothing gained. And that's totally like every moment where he gets the job with Fortune. He wants to join the boosters even though he showed it. He's not allowed. That's all I was thinking, you know, nothing ventured nothing gained. He. We all Rudy, exactly. Go for it. Sean Astin. Rudy not Yeah. Not really.
Jackie:No idea. So my criminal
Fish:I liked John February was acting his character was was pretty fun. I thought like, yeah, he
Nate:was solid, like, obviously early, early. Fabbro. Were first roll, right? Yeah. Yeah, he was a lot of flashes of later, John fabfree. Look, roll comfortable. Yeah.
Fish:Did fun character get the
Jackie:whole point of his character, though. Was it just to show that he had somewhat of a life outside of football?
Nate:Oh, he's helping tutoring. Yeah.
Cayleigh:That really helped him to. Yeah, well, they helped each other because like, he was so shy and couldn't even like when a girl spoke to him directly. He couldn't even breathe. He just shuts down. And because broody is like, maybe it's cringe or maybe it's just charisma is like, Hi, my name is Rudy. Do you know my friend? He's over there. Do you like him? Hey, Oh, my God. What's your name? You seem cool. I like your sweater. It's a nice sweater. Tonight. And so his like something to
Nate:be said for not having that. Shame shot. Yeah, that shyness, or that shame. Jean was
Cayleigh:the only person in this podcast who seems to be missing that quality.
Nate:That's you, man. That's why you connect with this man. He gets deep and gets things
Cayleigh:done. I know. All because he's doesn't give a fuck. Oh, we'll knock on your door. Hey, you want to
Jackie:go? Flowers? Oh, so
Fish:for the flowers.
Cayleigh:We needed sugar or we needed eggs. And he literally knocked on our neighbor's door and I was like, Can I have two eggs? And she was like, yeah, absolutely. Of course. And she accidentally broke a carpet.
Fish:We're fucking fucking dropped one fucking broken. Can I get an I need to get me I just need another one for your bad. Bad but I was like, Yeah, I kind of still need some second one. Oh, wow.
Jackie:I couldn't even imagine doing that. Honestly, I can't imagine going to a neighbor's and be like we're so desperate for an egg we would just drive to the grocery
Cayleigh:store. No, yeah, that's that's what I wanted to do. And it's like they're you know, they're like an older couple they love us they would be they would it would make their day if we want No.
Fish:No, they seem very happy to do it except on the drafts.
Jackie:But everyone's day is ruined
Fish:a leg everywhere
Cayleigh:and like carpet two of my sister in laws now are the same way as sister in law in one direction with this run the other direction on our wedding day. We didn't have any like mirrors other than just the one bathroom mirror in the hotel room that we were getting ready and and one of them had saw like this full length mirror in a conference room and they both went down to the front desk and we're like, can we have that mirror. And I'm like, don't do that. That's scaling. Why are we bothering them? It's fine. We can make do it's fine. Like, no, we're gonna go ask them, it's fine. We like
Fish:when started sort of taken in.
Cayleigh:They went hunting. Well, they were just gonna do that, but it was gone. So they went to the front desk and we're like, hey, we saw a mirror in the conference room. Where did it go? And can we have it? And like, they brought it to us because nothing ventured, nothing gained. You gotta knock on some doors and break
Fish:some eggs and borrow slash take some mirrors.
Cayleigh:So yeah, final thoughts on Rudy. It really resonated with my journey to college. And now I want to go see a Notre Dame game. And definitely made me appreciate Sean Astin, because you know, he made such a kooky character seem just so lovable and you want to see him win. And it was cool to see when
Jackie:Me go next. Yeah,
Fish:you go next.
Jackie:Yeah, that's, I mean, I think I made it pretty clear. It wasn't a huge fan of this movie. I could appreciate
Fish:we're starting to talk you into it though. A little bit.
Jackie:I probably will not watch it again. It really it just I don't know. It came across as so obsessive and it and I it didn't help when I looked up real stuff. We looked it up maybe three quarters of the way through the movie.
Fish:for yourself.
Jackie:I was already having these vibes of like, holy crap, this guy is too obsessive. He's, you know, demanding.
Cayleigh:Would there be a worthy cause? Is it just because it's football?
Jackie:I think I think it's the fact that it's football. No, no, no, if I think if it was a guy who actually was built for football was ready and was good at it.
Cayleigh:They would have had to fight there wouldn't be a story that's not impressive.
Jackie:There still would you can tap that we're especially at that time he gets across.
Cayleigh:I'd like to see a movie where a virtual so at the piano plays at a concert because he's so good at piano.
Jackie:Yeah, I think they're gonna
Cayleigh:want to see the handless band play at Carnegie
Jackie:Hall. Yeah, I would be totally into that movie.
Cayleigh:You can't play the piano. This
Fish:is the football version of that movie.
Jackie:There's plenty of stories where it's the underdog, right? Where it's someone who is called Hidden against all odds,
Fish:it's called Rudy.
Cayleigh:He didn't just stand out there and pull his pants down and stick his thumb up as asshole. he tackled somebody
Jackie:I know. I just added it feels like a weird obsession to me.
Fish:You have to be a little bit at least a little bit, if not a lot obsessed to like to do great things. I feel.
Jackie:Yeah. Yeah,
Cayleigh:there's definitely like it not even great. Like, how do I put this? He wasn't even playing on the NFL. And I think his level of obsession was required for him to even play on Notre Dame. Yeah, yeah, I
Fish:suppose. Any other way you can? Oh, yeah. I'll play for Notre Dame. No, you're fucking not gonna play. I'm gonna play Notre Dame. Okay, you
Cayleigh:might play. Yeah, there's no other way.
Fish:That's the only way you would have made it. Let me
Jackie:know. I get the point that I again, like I said earlier, I didn't do it. The you know, I didn't follow a passion that extreme. Yeah, I didn't make it yet. Yes, there's still time. I didn't make the movie demand a movie get made. And I do think it didn't help learning more about him. It just never felt earned. Yes. He was persistent. Yes. He was passionate. Yes. He really, really, really wanted it. But it never felt like he actually proved himself to get to suit up and get to play on the Yeah, I
Nate:see what you mean. This is Nate. I still enjoyed the movie. I think I would watch it again, but not with Jackie. And come over in
Jackie:our house. You guys can ever really party go full Rudy.
Nate:And honestly, the parts where I'm like, uncomfortable during the movie, I think are because of my personality. Where Oh, yeah.
Cayleigh:secondhand embarrassment for sure.
Nate:Where it's like, do don't go bug the coach. You don't belong in there. But like, yeah, there's a lot of it's very uplifting, especially when you don't look up the real, the real character, or the real life person. very uplifting story. It's very inspirational. And I think it will continue to be
Fish:so anyone who's a fan of the movie and or Notre Dame football, when the players are leaving the locker room as a play like a champion sign and you hit the sign right? I don't think we told her cutlet fans that when we met Sean Astin at the con, that I had a play like a champion sign and that's what we had him sign to the fish family, John Astin, and he signed Rudy to kind of sign it as Rudy, his character. So we got that in the basement, which is pretty cool. But as far as my take ways we're going inside of them. We're going outside of them inside outside, when we get them on the run once we're going to keep them on the run, and we're not going to pass unless they're secondary comes up to close. But don't forget men. We're going to get him on the run. We're going to go Go, go, go, go. We're not going to stop until we get over that goal line. And don't forget men. Today's the day we're going to win. They can look us and that's how it goes. The first platoon men go in there and fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight. What do you say men
Jackie:speech so good. We had to hear it twice. And then
Nate:not only that, but a speech that you know so well, that you can't get through a plot. But you get through that. It's easy. Look how loud you are to
Jackie:you peeked again.
Fish:I peeked there. This episode. That's a record. So don't take that too. Literal fans.
Jackie:I can't peek if I try. Also
Cayleigh:about our play like a champion signed just really quick. I did not know Rudy was so so so so popular. I mean, apparently didn't. Didn't not do well at the box office. Not really.
Fish:Yeah, not like came out. But it's afterwards. It's anyone who's a Notre Dame fan. There's tons of Notre Dame fans out there. You know this movie and you probably liked this movie probably liked it a lot. Any just general football fans or college football fans probably like this movie. There's a lot of people that liked this movie. That's all I've ever heard. Is
Nate:there a lot of Rudy memorabilia there?
Cayleigh:Yeah, that's what surprised me when we were waiting in line. I assumed we would be like, Oh, we're different. We're just gonna be like, Oh, wow, a Rudy thing. You know, I'm so sick of signing Lord of the Rings and Stranger Things stuff. No, there was the guy in front of or not the guy in front of us. The guy behind us had a Rudy phone call. There was lots of people wearing like Notre Dame stuff, or had the Rudy Funko is getting signed. And when we were waiting to go into one of the panels, this woman like, she couldn't get my attention. I guess she like tapped me. And she's like, where did you get that sign? And I was like, Notre Dame. And she's like, No, like, where did you buy? Notre Dame? And she's like, Oh, you didn't get it here? Because like she wanted, she wanted to buy it like, yeah, so I thought that shocked me since I'd never seen the movie before. I didn't. I didn't realize it has such a following
Nate:Notre Dame bookstore.
Fish:You're not gonna make it in time.
Jackie:Quick, we'll save your spot.
Cayleigh:Let's take a quick break. When we come back. We'll compare I was so looking forward to this i the whole time I was just thinking about I can't wait to compare these two movies. Immediately. You don't see a lot of child actors get to have careers as adults. You don't want
Fish:to turn out to be seemingly functional and like a good family person. It seems like Sean Astin is Yeah, so many cult
Jackie:favorites.
Cayleigh:Yeah, it's like he never misses. Yeah,
Nate:yeah. And he doesn't do or hasn't done like a lot of the same stuff. Like he changes it up like Goonies and broody. complete opposites. Right, right. Lord of the Rings. A still a completely different direction. Stranger Things still the first day different 51st dates we did
Jackie:out there. I totally forgot. We have done another shot.
Cayleigh:Sure have.
Fish:Yeah. That was
Cayleigh:that would have been a standout if you came as Doug for 51st dates that would have maybe got his attention.
Fish:Like, yeah, a cosplayers dog.
Nate:Sign the shirt. That's all I
Fish:have to serve is gonna be on your skin. Just keep going. Just keep
Cayleigh:your cosplaying at Doug, you would make him sign your bicep. Yeah, yeah. But also, he's gotten to work with so many amazing people. What a charmed life he's had. I mean, he's had obviously struggle in the sense that no child actor has it easy. I know that, you know, it's easy from the outside looking in saying oh, you know, they make so much money they have the world handed to them. They can travel but but but but like note a Nolan that's not good or healthy for any child. I know. He's a huge advocate for mental health because Patty Duke did suffer from bipolar disorder. And later in her life, she was a huge advocate for a very vocal and transparent about her situation with that. So that couldn't have been easy to deal with. You know, not knowing who your dad was and going through that drama, it sounds like he took it all with such grace and saw the positive of everything that was handed to him. But again, that's a testament to him
Nate:level headed for everything that he's accomplished and been through
Cayleigh:and so talented to, um, you know, it's pretty humble. Yeah, definitely seems
Fish:goofy to is like, he's sharing some stories at the panel, and he was like, oh, you know, my wife, just, you know, I just come home, and she's on her iPad, and she's playing some farming game. And, you know, I think he has a couple of daughters
Cayleigh:that so there was a fan question that said, What video game would habits play? And they kind of went each and answered, and, you know, I, Elijah was like, oh, you know, Animal Crossing, for sure. And then that's why Sean brought up Oh, my wife plays this farming game. And, uh, you know, looks like she's, you know, it's relaxing for her. And I tried to play it. And it's just too slow for me. But I do think that a hobbit would really like that. And then they were like, what's the game? And he's like, let me text my wife. Hold on. Let me text Christine. So he texts his wife. And he's like, You know what, let me go to the real source. Let me text my daughter because she will actually know the name of it. And the panel had ended and he like, grabbed a mic, but it was off. And so he made them turn it back on and he's like, I'm gonna get the answer. I'm gonna tweet it out to you. And sure enough, he tweeted out the name of the game. Stardew Valley. No, it was not Stardew Valley. It was something I had never heard of before. Farmville. No. So something I had never heard of before. Interesting.
Fish:But yeah, just seems like a cool cool, dude. Like, he seems like a if he was like your uncle, like, you'd want to hang out with him. Like, he'd be really chill. I'd want him as an uncle. Next.
Cayleigh:He seems also like you could like if somehow you got his phone number accidentally. He would text you back.
Fish:Yeah, like, hey, Shawn, what's up, man? Oh. Yeah. It'd be too nice to just say fuck off.
Cayleigh:Yes. But again, it seems like even when he was again, I wasn't that invested in Goonies just because I had a hard time like immersing. But the fact that he had improvised that scene as a kid, and had that heart and had that earnestness, and it feels like even though his roles are so different, and he has a range, there is a common thread of heart
Nate:game, he took that heart and he applied in Rudy.
Jackie:And man, can he deliver a speech? Yes, yeah. In both those movies. Yeah, he does some massive speeches, and all that passion behind it.
Cayleigh:He's also just very inspiring all of his characters,
Nate:for she did pretty good too, with the speech.
Jackie:Yeah, they're powered by Shawn. In those two movies in particular, they're both kind of over the top passionate and getting people to follow them. Yeah. But everything
Cayleigh:I think we can even like, just because it's Sean Astin episode, and we couldn't watch all of his movies to compare like, I'm willing to step outside here like Stranger Things. Bob Newby was inspirational. You know what I mean? We they call him Bob the brain and all that he was picked on in high school, he doesn't seem to care. He doesn't seem to have any, like, chip on his shoulder. Like a lot of characters that are written that way are he's happy go lucky. You know, he's given this crazy, wild story that his town is actually connected to these, you know, other world beings. And he he, you know, risks his life to help save the world.
Fish:It seems like he puts a lot of himself what his goals are, and by putting himself into his characters, makes it more realistic, I guess,
Cayleigh:and then taking it to the real. The real character we want to talk about and we won't dig too deep. We'll focus just Sean Astin style,
Jackie:don't you leave him Samwise Gamgee. And I don't mean to, I don't need to
Cayleigh:the best part of that movie.
Jackie:That's by far my most quoted.
Nate:Things are not going to have any dissenting opinions when we watched the Lord of the Rings trilogy.
Cayleigh:Better not.
Fish:We'll just do a summary of all three movies and call it will reenact it will do voices will replay all the main scenes
Cayleigh:we're gonna get sock puppets and we're gonna make our Muppets recast come true.
Nate:That's gonna be a 12 hour podcast.
Cayleigh:But Sam was was the most worth it. Motive not. He was one of the most motivating characters in that movie. He
Jackie:was the one on solid ground the whole time. Yes, yeah. He kept that ship afloat, knew who he was
Cayleigh:100% Except when
Fish:he was sinking in the river and like drowning and then, you know, the hand reached in and
Nate:you can't be on top all the time. Everybody needs help. Sometimes.
Fish:He did tell us that story. You to tell a story about that scene right there.
Cayleigh:Because we will have a very special episode at some point cutlets Don't. Don't you worry, we'll get into it.
Nate:So I guess the last thing and compare incident really comparison is more talking about Sean Astin. Yeah. I'll just echo the comment that it's really nice to see a child star that had won that amount of talent but to came out of being a child star on solid footing, and had a successful career and really level headed.
Fish:I mean, any still rocking? Yeah.
Nate:Really impressed with both Goonies and Rudy.
Fish:He just went up a mark. Your rating just went up.
Cayleigh:What a guy. Also the name of the game was Township. I haven't heard of.
Fish:That's weird. But yeah, I'm inspired by Shawn and his actors, actors in his characters. His roles. I do look forward to seeing what else is gonna bring, you know, he's, he's not done. He's not done acting.
Nate:Alright, now, what are we watching next week?
Cayleigh:So we got a Sandra Bullock favorite. While you were sleeping? And overboard. The original one?
Jackie:I haven't seen anything either of these.
Fish:Meaning Oh, wow. Oops. First timers.
Nate:They allowed us to opinions coming up.
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