We went Overboard (Kurt Russell, Goldie Hawn) While You Were Sleeping (Sandra Bullock, Bill Pullman, Peter Gallagher) discussing problematic romances and why we still kind of love them!
(This episode contains spoilers)
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HBO Max
Where to watch While You Were Sleeping?
Disney Plus
* As of August 2022 in the USA
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We went Overboard (Kurt Russell, Goldie Hawn) While You Were Sleeping (Sandra Bullock, Bill Pullman, Peter Gallagher) discussing problematic romances and why we still kind of love them!
(This episode contains spoilers)
Where to watch Overboard?
HBO Max
Where to watch While You Were Sleeping?
Disney Plus
* As of August 2022 in the USA
For more shenanigans, follow us on Instagram @couplescutpodcast or TikTok @couplescutpodcast, Twitter @couplescutpod or send us an e-mail at CouplesCutPodcast@gmail.com
Transcript available on our website: https://CouplesCut.buzzprout.com/
Oh, oh, I had an idea for an ad. So well cuz you've done so neat. I just talked about this was yesterday or it was just put this up yesterday Okay there's like Kiefer Sutherland needs to be in a kefir commercial right daddy for Lifeway, because it's Chicago company, and he's gonna be carrying around like a bottle is gonna be like drinking it. And then like, someone's gonna be like, hey, Kiefer. And he's like, No, it's kefir. And he's just gonna keep walking and drinking and something like hey,yo Kiefer, like trying to get his attention. He's like, Nah,man has Kefir. And he's just,you know, does it two maybe three times? That's like the whole commercial
Nate:you should write the company.
Fish:Is that not a winning commercial? Tell me it's not funny. That's pretty good.
Cayleigh:The only reason she didn't like it
Fish:that's a great commercial.I'd watch that ship I'm really proud of you. lying to yourself.It's not me said yesterday.
Cayleigh:Hello, and welcome to couples cutting a podcast where two couples the goods and the fishes Hi. Give their commentary on a fine pairing movies.
Jackie:Watch out for those spoilers.
Cayleigh:Good morning.Sleepyhead we got a new episode.
Jackie:Time to poop
Fish:the poop alarm? Try again.This news? Not all of this Crap.
Nate:Crap. My bed
Cayleigh:really shocked about on this one. Okay, so lately for a rapid fires. I've been wanting to do things that have more to do with the movie we're talking about because I think it just dazzle spice. So this one, it's gonna be a little tricky. It's gonna be a little tricky. So this is our episode of more succinctly put problematic romantic comedies, because I think any other description is long winded. So what is romantic in a movie, but would be creepy in real life. The catch and why this is tricky. You cannot use overboard and you cannot use while you're sleeping as your example. My name is Cayleigh.And I love problematic rom coms,I guess because even though I quite enjoy this movie, I recognize that it would be super creepy in real life. And that is the plot of serendipity. Which I don't have everybody seen this a long time. Okay, just for people at home are listening, haven't seen it. Basically, the idea is that these two people have a brief encounter a long time ago.And there's you know, sparks and they're attracted to each other.But the woman believes in fate and destiny. And she tries to create these scenarios that would show her that she should give this guy that she just randomly met her number and then none of them work out. Then we fast forward many, many years later, and both of them are about to get married. But they keep thinking about this person that they met for like five seconds, many many years ago.And then they start stalking each other to try and reconnect.And obviously that's really fucking creepy. Like you're about to get married. And some rando who you met for like a few hours comes out of the woodwork.Yeah, but it was beautiful in the movie. Okay, everyone do it.
Jackie:Just one where there's what's your name? My name is Jackie. Yeah, the other female on this podcast. Yeah. Anyway,mine would be super old vampire.gets really obsessed with a girl. Yeah. And normally I really like Vampire things. I do not like Twilight. I will say that. But
Cayleigh:I haven't actually seen them. You know anything could be a fun little side quest for you. And I we watched Twilight
Jackie:trashed.
Cayleigh:What do you say? Oh,yeah. Oh, yeah, we're not gonna watch it like educationally.
Jackie:I think I think they need to. I think they need to suffer through it
Cayleigh:too. Yeah, we can all do it. I've
Fish:seen the maybe the first one.
Cayleigh:I've seen the first one a long, long, long, long time ago.
Jackie:I've seen the fourth one and I was drunk in the movie theater. And I this is the one time I did feel like an asshole because there were people there that legitimately wanted to see it. Our group went there as a joke.
Fish:Boy, and ruined it for them. Jackie we
Jackie:might have I was too drunk to really notice what we had we snuck in. I don't know if I should tell us sir. We snuck in two bottles of coke. One of them was actually coke one was hacked.
Fish:Okay, no, I
Cayleigh:was excited the way that you preface that I wonder which we know but I'm just gonna say remind people so I know what people sneak into movie theaters. That is so tame that it loops around that you're like, I don't know if I should tell the story it makes it seem like
Jackie:okay, no, it was not.Okay. And it was actually Coca Cola. And we one of them was mixed. And we had a member of what?
Nate:Rum and Coke.
Jackie:I think it was wrong.Okay. Yeah, I think it was like half from half Coca Cola. And one member of our party kept asking for the real coke. And in his mind, he was saying it in quotes. In our mind. We were like, Oh, he wants the regular Coca Cola. So we all got trashed, and he drank a regular.
Nate:He's like, Guys, I'm so drunk. No,
Jackie:no, he did not think he was he was miserable because he's watching Twilight. And all of us are trying
Cayleigh:tolerance.
Jackie:Anyway, that was a derail. But I don't that Twilight is super creepy. I could see times like in Buffy.It's romantic. But no, this guy's like creeping in your room and staring at you.
Fish:creeps in to her room.
Cayleigh:Sure. Yes. Yeah,
Fish:I hope those I hope they get together.
Cayleigh:Oh my god, we got another another negative Patreon thing or whatever. We should talk about Buffy. When is it a nice finish it?
Jackie:Yes. How far are you guys? Have
Nate:you guys bolts? All the way through five.
Cayleigh:Yeah, I've seen it all the way
Jackie:through season five.
Fish:I think we just started.Yeah,
Nate:we will say nothing more than
Cayleigh:Yeah. So no for me,I'm not into it. Just wait
Jackie:if you're only in the beginning of season.
Cayleigh:Oh yeah, I'm like I'm
Fish:the one blond haired dude flew away on a helicopter. Oh,yeah. sucked. Yeah, he didn't know what like it was around for a while too long or
Jackie:too long.
Fish:Wait, no chemistry but
Cayleigh:also it's it gives me the yes when him when spike and Buffy. It gives me the shock.Yes,
Jackie:I think that's fair.There's a lot yeah, the relationships with Buffy are pretty creepy, but somehow still kind of romantic but
Cayleigh:so like Angel is the one where I was like, as an adult I understand that I should not enjoy this I should not get for this. I should not like it but I can't help myself
Fish:guys but don't mix up and jealous and Van jealous easily.made that mistake.
Nate:Not the same
Jackie:pop culture detective to bring it back around did a Buffy Twilight mashup Oh, where it's Buffy meeting Edward. And being creeped out by him. Fantastic.Oh, I highly recommend.
Cayleigh:Amazing.
Fish:I've got a movie. Okay.This is David fish. And I was thinking about the graduate. So you guys seen it?
Jackie:I've never seen that.
Nate:Long time ago,
Cayleigh:a very long time ago.
Fish:So Young Dustin Hoffman,right. He Robin. Like, seduced by her. She gets seduced by him.I don't know something. And then he eventually ends up with her daughter after like him and the mom have like a relationship for a while. If you have relationship with someone's mom,you probably shouldn't end up with the daughter. Yeah, I feel Yeah, for sure. Great. But
Cayleigh:was it romantic? And the graduate?
Fish:There was six.
Cayleigh:That doesn't make it.
Jackie:What was it like?Oh, that's kind of cute.
Cayleigh:are you rooting for him and Mrs. Robinson feels like that. It's creepy all around me something so like free
Jackie:like do people think graduates romance
Cayleigh:when I watched serendipity? I'm immersing myself and I'm not creeped out.But if I step out of the movie,and I think about the actual reality of it, I'm like, That's fucking weird. I don't want the vampires same thing when I'm watching Buffy and Angel and I'm ignoring this reality of everything. I'm into it, but when I reel myself back end and understand the logistics it's fucked up. Yep, that's what we're going for.
Fish:I think I can still stand by my pic.
Jackie:Because this is considered
Cayleigh:a romantic I don't think so. I haven't ever heard referred to as being romantic. I feel like the very ending shot is Him in His Bride and they drive away in a limo and they look miserable and Hello darkness my romantic 17 A long time. There's nothing romantic about that movie. It's a sexual.It's definitely sexual. And I imagined for like a young man being seduced by a woman. I'm sure it's a sexual experience,but it's not romantic.
Nate:That movie was romantic as hell.
Fish:I'm sure one person in this world trends that movie romantic. And that's all gone with.
Nate:So this is Nate. And I'm gonna go with failure launch which is Matthew McConaughey and Sarah Jessica Parker. Matthew McConaughey lives at home and he's part Are we early 30s and his parents hired Sarah Jessica Parker, who does this professionally as a living to date him and get him ready to move out of the house, the movie and eventually they wind up together in the movie, right? So it's funny. There's romantic parts in the movie, but when you take a step back and look at a real life me like, who if somebody hired, you know themselves out to date people and be like, I will get your son or daughter ready to move out of the house on their own and then dumpshome Basically,
Fish:those two are still the other end.
Cayleigh:They've never been together, honey.
Fish:Matthew Broderick and Sarah Jessica Parker.
Jackie:Different Matthew. Oops,the one
Fish:that was all mixed up.There together. Correct for a long time. Yep. Yeah. Go them.Carol.
Nate:Zoey Deschanel send it to Oh, interesting.
Fish:Young Zoey. Yeah, that must move is a little older,isn't it?
Nate:2006
Fish:Oh, it's a little. That's a little older.
Nate:I liked the movie, though.A lot. I mean, there's a lot of funny parts. But yeah,problematic when you go through the real life
Cayleigh:was the heart of the question. Anyway. Um, here we go, folks. So this week, our problematic pairing is overboard. And while you were sleeping two movies where we have a main character who either actually has amnesia or thinks they have amnesia, being tricked into believing they have long term relationships with individuals. So let's kick it off with overboard and let's get a plot.
Nate:The wealthy Joana statement is living a life of luxury on a yacht with her husband. Yes, she is not satisfied. She treats everyone around her terribly often refusing to make or compensate for jobs well done. In the middle of the night searching for her wedding ring. She falls overboard and the boat takes off without her pulled on board to a garbage boat. Joanna can no longer remember who she is. A local news station covers the story of her amnesia, begging someone to come forward to claim her. Finally, a man named Dean shows up claiming to be Joanna's husband, and father of her four children. She insists that she doesn't know him but it's finally convinced to head to his house. But things just don't add up. He says he's a carpenter yet the house is in shambles. The children don't like her and there are no photos of her in the house. Still she is put to work cleaning, cooking and caring for the children.Convinced that she must actually love this man she sleeps with them and resigned herself to this life. Her actual husband shows up to rescue her and her memory is restored. But the lingering feelings for Dean and his family remain. The Stockholm Syndrome wins in the end and she leaves her life of luxury for the new family. Fish backs
Fish:we're going overboard yes and girls overboard. Released on December 16 1987, and with a budget of around 22 million,went on to make over 26 million.Directed by Garry Marshall. Gary with two R's. Written by Lesley Dixon and starring Goldie Hawn,Kurt Russell, Edward Herrmann and more.
Jackie:We finally got Garry Marshall and not Penny Marshall.
Cayleigh:I would say I never knew that this was a Garry Marshall movie. I think I'm the only one of the four of us that have seen this before. Correct?Yes. Yeah. So the only reason I've seen this is because it was one of those movies that was on TV all the time that I believe my dad would turn off all the time. So that's how I was exposed to it. I did not know. I would have never guessed and really nervous. This was a Garry Marshall film. So just like for listeners at home or people hear her on inclined. He did pretty woman, runaway bride both Princess Diaries movies, and he wrote a lot for television, A League of Their Own. Well, he acted in A League of Their Own.His sister,
Nate:yeah, he was Mr. Sloane.And
Cayleigh:so and he has done a lot of acting as well. But as far as directing this movie, I mean, he's directed a lot of others, but those are kind of like his big hit since letter writing credits. Yeah. And then he did a lot of writing for television and a lot of acting.Yeah. So he's a triple threat.Wow. Um, but yeah, so I had no idea that this was a Garry Marshall. Film.
Fish:And the screen writer Lesley Dixon wrote and Mrs.Doubtfire tying it in with everything people
Jackie:and the little boy from big was Yeah.
Fish:And wait.
Nate:We keep one upping each other.
Fish:Was the kid in home alone to
Cayleigh:like kitten home alone?
Jackie:The Macaulay Culkin?
Fish:Not the main kid To the one kid who gets counted as Macaulay, when they're like counting heads, and he's like,messing around in the van and like, yeah, 123 and then she's a little one. They mistake him for Macaulay Culkin.
Cayleigh:I'm not that deep on the Home Alone lore.
Jackie:Let me double check,spend a long time. While you're doing that. Also Richard Gilmore. I was very excited to see I feel
Cayleigh:like this was a prequel. This is what he was getting up to before he married Emily. Character tracks. He was supposed to be like, you know,Playboy kind of douchebag deal,man before he settled down.
Nate:He was
Fish:I think, there must be a kid in the next film. That wasn't home. Oh, maybe. Okay,well, but anyway, this kid was a he was in Honey, I Shrunk the Kids. Yeah,
Jackie:you did it. Good job.
Fish:Hey, come on. I didn't know that this film was apparently kind of a cult classic to some extent. Did you guys know that? I didn't know that. I didn't know that either.Jackie. Yeah. How did you know?
Jackie:I have heard about it.Over the years.
Nate:I've heard of the movie I've just never know.
Jackie:And I assumed when they created another one and was a2018 2018 remake that a lot of people had to have liked this at some point.
Fish:I didn't even know about the 2018 remake.
Cayleigh:I wasn't aware of it.I had no interest.
Jackie:Yeah, I never watched it.
Fish:I guess there's it's kind of there's loose adaptations and other other other countries made like loose adaptations of this film. Like three or four or five different ones maybe?
Jackie:Yes, definitely aware of the plot, even though I know I've never seen that. But I knew exactly what was going to happen
Fish:really. You always do know
Jackie:I think because it had that cult status and because I just always do your right. Very intuitive. Nothing goes over my head. Yeah.
Nate:So they start out. And Kurt Russell is called to Goldie Hans yacht. He looks so
Jackie:much like Patrick Swayze.
Cayleigh:Oh, yeah, I see that are
Jackie:a lot of angles. Yeah.
Nate:So before we get into the problematic stuff, I did not recognize Goldie Hawn when she had her hair pulled back on the boat. I was oh, it took me in510 minutes. Like have her in scenes for me to be like
Fish:and then later on in the film and when she like regained her memory I did her up again in that style. It's like she looks very different with like whatever makeup and hair and whatever they were doing. Looks really really different. really different.
Nate:Okay, glad it wasn't just not just you. Because like as soon as are they show her like in the in the hospital where they're hurt. That's cool.
Jackie:What about that cover photo? In the movie cover?
Nate:Yeah, movie cover photo.It doesn't look like I can't even make myself see Goldie Hawn. It looks like yeah, it looks like it's really bad Photoshop. Like she's almost wearing like a skullcap and they've like wrong the the hair in on top. And I was just like,because Jackie and I were talking. I'm like, I didn't recognize Goldie Hawn for the first 10 minutes of the movie and then Goldie. Looking at that picture. I was just like that.This makes my point. It's horrible.
Fish:Yeah, she's got a red dress on. She's falling overboard.
Jackie:Yeah, she was never wearing that outfit. No, I was waiting for that.
Fish:But what she though
Cayleigh:Could you be further away from your microphone? David
Fish:has ever read swimsuit at one point. Maybe it's a not an homage to that.
Nate:So anyway, Kurt Russell's called there, and basically is giving very vague instructions on Hey, build me a closet. I need a place for my shoes. I need a place for my jewelry I need
Jackie:because women love shoes. Yep. I think Nate loves shoes more than I do.
Nate:I don't think so.
Jackie:I think you have more shoes than I do.
Nate:That's all a bunch of
Fish:bull. Did Nate charge up his watch today?
Jackie:He definitely has more watches. Then we'll turn the lights out
Fish:later and see
Nate:it's gonna wear out by then. Just pull it up next to him. Anyway, makes the closet out of oak, which apparently is incorrect.
Cayleigh:To be fair, what was it in the 80s and 90s that they built everything out of oak and it's so gross now.
Nate:Yeah, it's an age thing around that. I
Fish:mean, it's a good hardwood. It's a good hardwood.It's going to last a long time.I mean, there's not going to be any mods at sea. He was right,right. Yeah. And, yeah, you know, normally it makes some causes out of cedar although, I don't think anyone uses cedar for anything anymore these days.And it was more popular back in the day. Actually, as a kid my closet was cedar lined. Wow. It wasn't anything fancy. But I just remember pretty fun. It wasn't.
Nate:Yeah, cedar is supposed to be like resistant to moisture and
Fish:Moths and stuff. Get apparently I don't know. Like who the fuck has moths in the closet? Is that a thing even send us a tweet if you have mothballs. Which another thing as a kid, our house at least basement smelled like mothballs for many years because somebody in our household used mothballs extensively. And that's I can I can always picture the smell of mothballs now
Jackie:you can picture the smell
Fish:in my brain
Cayleigh:that explains the seeder class. It's fun, too.
Nate:So now I know I don't
Fish:think they're classes to see to the mind was
Cayleigh:the best for David.
Nate:So now I know when you're over there last, like looking off into the distance you're picturing a smell.
Jackie:I can still picture the smell
Nate:but the closet looks super nice. Yeah. The rotating
Fish:oh my god, like amazing like what the fuck? Perfect.
Nate:It's like it rotated the shoes in and out. So it's like pairs and it brought him to the side push them.
Fish:The mechanics were insane.Like what the? You couldn't even do something like that.
Cayleigh:I just say I want that. I need that. Yeah, it's great. Jackie means
Nate:that was her million pairs of shoes.
Jackie:will count will count later.
Fish:1 million. Speaking about that boat yacht? Technically. So that that yacht was called the Tessa. Okay. It showed up in some other films. At least one of the film in decent proposal,which I have never seen. I don't know anything about it. I've seen it. But a little note of current times and yachts in 2021last year 887 super yachts were sold worldwide, which is like a record. So I was trying to a rich people
Jackie:are out with this yacht or they like bird they've just done a long long vacation. Like bowling. Did they live on the yacht? That's what I thought.
Fish:But I think they were just having fun
Cayleigh:lift when it was like early. And then obviously lift blew up and became a very, very,you know, well to do company.And so they became like,billionaire. And well, so yeah,like he became filthy fucking never work again, Rich. And so he literally bought a yacht and he just lived on his yacht and sailed around the Caribbean.That's life. Nice. Pretty cool.So like, yeah, this was a thing so that they could reach potentially.
Jackie:Well, that seemed very early for like having a working TV on the yacht. And day seven.Yeah, yeah, the big brick cell phones. Yeah. Which my dad had from he used to work for Motorola. And we had that in our basement for years. We used it as a toy phone. But one of those like original brick phones.
Nate:That's pretty crazy. I wonder
Cayleigh:if that was just like to really drive home how filthy rich these people are. So
Jackie:out of control
Nate:and having the the butler and
Fish:turns out it was her family. That was the rich richer. I
Jackie:liked that twist. Yeah,I did like that.
Fish:Yeah, that was fun.
Nate:So the whole thing kicks into overdrive when she doesn't want to pay for the closet.
Fish:Which is rude as hell and threw his fucking tools into the fucking like Bay. Yeah.
Cayleigh:What did that remind you of David?
Fish:Pam and Tommy. Yes.
Cayleigh:So real life story of how the Pamela Anderson Tommy Oh, whatever. Yeah, Tommy Lee sex tape came to be was because Tommy Lee did not pay a carpenter. They were getting their bedroom redone. He did not pay the carpenter. And kept are not kept as well kept as tools.In a sense, the carpenter left without his tools because he was pissed, went back to the property to collect his things.And Tommy threatened him with a shotgun to leave my property thus keeping his tools like your hostage. So he loses out on this, you know, huge job, huge paycheck, all the money. So usually like contractors,carpenters, that kind of thing.They're paying for the material upfront expecting that you're going to pay them later. So he's out all the money that he's already put into this project and he loses all of his tools.So hundreds of $1,000 there, so like, loses everything. So then he sneaks onto their property as revenge to get the safe thinking because he had seen a safe that he knew is filled with like guns and jewelry and stuff. So he breaks in steals the safe, takes it out to the woods, cracks it open the big safe, finds the guns, jewelry, everything like that. But then he finds a tape of VHS tape and he doesn't think much of it but he watches it and sees that it's the footage from their wedding night and then He sells it it's a whole saying it's a interesting series, but again based on true events and so I just thought that was so crazy.
Fish:takeaway point pay people when you do work for you, yes.Don't fuck over people when they do work for you. Otherwise
Jackie:sex tape gets out now good things.You get convinced you're in a relationship.
Fish:Yes.
Nate:Otherwise you fall overboard and get amnesia get picked up by a garbage hauler,
Fish:but when she did throw his tools overboard like the tool box was floating so they could have retrieved it possibly maybe you just tipped over but I was like damn, it's just phones like wouldn't wouldn't toolbox toolbox. It was flow meter. Now.Probably oak.
Nate:Probably pine. Okay, pine.
Fish:Pine. Yeah. Pinewood Derby races seemed like a good carpenter though.
Jackie:I don't know his house was going out with his house. It was in terrible shape just moved
Fish:in or whatever. He's not like a general contractor anyway.
Jackie:No, but I feel like things should be a little more in order.
Cayleigh:I wonder if being a carpenter is you know, like, you hear like chefs eat like shit when they're at home. Yeah, I wonder if like being a carpenter is a similar thing. Like you don't want to fucking do your last thing you want to do.
Fish:But as soon as you fix something up the kids probably destroy it. So it's like we're just gonna leave it like shit.He's got what three boys ran their houses now sports shit show for my last
Cayleigh:speaking of the kids,so let's just like dive right into it. Um, so I think one I've obviously a lot of issues with this movie, but I just spoiler alert the marshal siblings they have a way to bring heart so it you know became a cult classic for cult classic for a reason.But I digress. One part that I think they could have even added more heart and made the Dean character maybe a little more sympathetic is if we got more backstory on his first wife and his relationship with her and what kind of mother she was to their kids and what that did to their family when she passed away.
Nate:Yeah, cuz all you hear is that she died three years ago. And that's it.
Fish:Even if they would have spent like two minutes on it. I don't think they needed to didn't spend a lot of time just a little bit a little more than like sharing a little story.Yeah, like if he was talking to his kids and sharing his story like Hey, guys, you remember when mom did this, you know,just a little something
Cayleigh:could have even peppered in little moments. You didn't You didn't have to slap you in the face lets you choose a backstory, but like little moments here like But mom used to and then we get a snippet there. He's, you know, trying to he maybe comes across an old picture. That is like a very beautiful moment of him and his ex wife, Terrax wife, late wife to show us the viewer of like,he was really in love with this woman before. But again, it's more him. Oh, shit, I gotta hide this. So you know?
Nate:Yeah. And they had opportunities to do it. Yeah.Like when she was going around looking for pictures of herself.When Goldie Hawn was, she's like, I need proof. I need proof. Like, there's plenty opportunities. There's like,okay, she runs across something else, you know him with his or his late wife. Just a little bit more.
Jackie:But yeah, it would definitely humanize him. Like you're saying, Kaley if he had those backstories because watching it this way, it just feels like he's a bit of a slob and that terrible? Not Yes. Not great at parenting. But there could have been that bit with his, you know, late wife where it just things fell apart after her. Yes. Which I think is what they were going
Cayleigh:100% Like, I think that we aren't supposed to walk away from it of like, this guy is a wreck. He knows he can't take care of himself. Like I just think that they could have gone deeper even the clothes.Why didn't he I guess that they moved, but it could have been a great opportunity that he has his late wife's clothes and it was like, No, these are your clothes and then perhaps there's an outfit that she puts on that makes them you know, a little heartbroken. Oh yeah, I have a moment because he's seeing this woman and his late wife's clothes like it could have had a lot more again, it's a goofy late 80s movie. It's not supposed to be that deep. I think it is supposed to be heavier on the comedy from rom com light on the ROM Yeah, I still think it could have been an interesting way to go.
Fish:I hope them mom the original mom's name wasn't Annie right? Yeah, cuz he started calling her Annie Yeah. To be like, yeah. He's bad kids.
Jackie:I thought right, that the name like that.
Fish:I thought it was interesting that I know that Kurt Ruslan called me on it. And I've been together forever. But they've been a couple since1983, which was like, five, four or five years, you know, before this movie came out that had been a couple already. They actually had some kids before this movie came out. And their kids were on set for most of this movie. You know, because they didn't, you know, want to just have like, Nanny take care of them. 24/7 Yeah,
Nate:I saw that. And I think they're, maybe their daughter,who was pretty young took their first steps on the set of the movie. So it's like, they were with them everywhere. Which was,it's pretty cool, you know, have a family affair.
Fish:Never married, though.
Cayleigh:They said, That's why their relationship has lasted so long
Nate:with his parenting skills.It just seemed to me like the vast majority of the time he didn't parent. They just did whatever they wanted to do. And I think that was part of the point of like, oh, when Goldie Hawn shows up, and there's a little bit of structure after she gets her bearings and stuff like that, things start to shape up and the house is cleaned up and everything like that, but it's like, just lends it back to like, he can't take care of things on his own or just doesn't. And they even throw in a little bit of like him working a night job, right to show that he's trying to do his his best,but a little bit more of his backstory with his late wife and how they got to where they're at would have done a lot for sympathy to his situation,
Jackie:because most of them will be I didn't like him.Right? Who's not a likable character.
Fish:No, but I do like Kurt Russell.
Jackie:Russell Crowe, Jeff Bridges.
Fish:Hopefully we get to watch and talk about some other movies that Kurt Russell's in, I think he's a pretty
Jackie:miracle.
Fish:Entertaining. One more, I could use some more specifically big and Big Trouble in Little China. He's one of my favorite,Kurt Russell movies. I don't know. He's just entertaining and fun and seems like a cool deal.
Nate:So she owed him 600 bucks for the closet. So she gets amnesia. And he goes and picks her up and convinces the people at the hospital that he's her husband. She's there's nothing wrong with that. He's trying to basically take her back to the house and have her as an indentured servant for a month until he gets 600 bucks. A month seems like a long time even in1987 for that amount of work.For 600 bucks. Sorry, I
Fish:agree that I'm most the tools that last he lost. Yeah,
Cayleigh:I do agree that a month seems long, monetarily speaking, but I feel like a month was such a short time for her to learn all these skills,and then do them well. Like we get we get that one pan around their house and everything's like everything's beautiful.She's really put things together. She's teaching the youngest to read she has one doing their math homework. Like she's not only gotten the house fixed up and in order she has these kids on a schedule and in a routine and disciplined in less than two months. That's really so she herself did not ever do that once. Yeah, in her previous Yeah. Not
Nate:very realistic. No, I
Fish:mean, this she's, she's always headed in or I guess, you know, it's like it's like instinctual. You know, it's like that. But it's
Jackie:like when she got amnesia, which first of all, how did she actually I don't understand how she actually got amnesia. She
Cayleigh:had a Trash Trash boat or the shock of the coldwater.
Jackie:Everything like lose her personality at all. Yeah, she was still
Fish:a bitch.
Jackie:Yeah. And she's still like new French. So there were some things where she still had the memory, like, picked and choose chose. Because then she also at the end when they talk about oh, you used to smoke? Why didn't she have any smoke cravings, right?
Fish:This is a way to help quit smoking people. Your friend hit you on the head really hard. And you forget about
Cayleigh:or puts you on the brink of hypothermia.
Jackie:Yep. Yep. Either one shot from the cold.
Fish:One of the scenes that I thought was a little it was like kind of heartwarming. A little said it was a little bit later on the film, but it just came to mind that when she's got her memory back and back on her their yacht or whatever, and she's like hanging out with the people that work on the ship.And they're having fun and drinking. She's having like a real conversation so like, she feels bad about the way she used to treat them. Yep, she's like,she kind of has a little heart to heart with her Butler. Bye Yeah, the mother guy and he just like that was that was nice.When
Nate:can we agree that Kurt Russell would be in prison for doing this? Yes. Yeah. Life?
Jackie:Yeah, for sure.
Cayleigh:I think even in universe that was the consensus.That's why his friend was all freaked out about not her not learning the truth because he was wrapped up in this as well.And he would also get arrested.
Fish:Yep. Busted.
Cayleigh:My favorite part, though, is how they said that they would pay a reward if anybody identifies her. Yeah.And that he's like, Well, hot dog. And not only is his immediate thought, I'm going to kidnap her. His friend when he was like, hot dog, and like,runs away like I gotta plan is also like, Oh my God, you're gonna get in trouble. And I'm just like, Guys, why did they even like you are writing the movie. You have the power of the script, you have the power to create this universe. Why mentioned there's a reward?
Nate:Yeah, because they never mentioned it again.
Cayleigh:Right? Yeah, no, they just mentioned it on the on the news. And like, okay, get your money back that way dumped on?
Nate:Her to pay? This is who she is. Yeah.
Fish:Speaking about that. So Leslie Dixon, the screen writer,she stated in 2017, that there's nothing wrong with Dean Kurt Russell's character, other than the fact that he doesn't know how to be a mother. That's her take on it. Like she doesn't think that it's that that he didn't like did anything wrong.
Jackie:I would disagree. But I will say I I like that he didn't immediately jump into sex. And he tried really hard to prevent sex from happening. Like oh, you sleep on the couch because your back hurts
Cayleigh:like I guess he came back drunk and then like was seeing her like he was gonna and I didn't love that. Yeah, but the fact that in his mind, he was never gonna go there. He was just because he still hates this woman in you know, he just wanted to teach her basically.Yeah. So again, from a from a perspective of the late 80s We're we can list many movies that are much more problematic than this one and that are still quite Beloved. Yes, that we would prior this podcast would get a lot of hate mail if we covered them and pointed out how problematic they are. I think that's probably the most respectful I've seen some young men and 80s buddies be that he knew he was just gonna tease her all along. Yes, yes.
Jackie:So he had no intention of going there Yeah.
Cayleigh:Not until they really seem you know, we get the bar scene where he takes her out I forgot your birthday. Yeah, and takes her out which again, from our lens and watching was a critical eye it's not great.It's not ideal, but it was still again goes Marshall, those Marshall siblings. They can this is good cue they can inject like our you know, the four will the three, three and three and a half movies. Three and a half tropes we covered in rapid fire.Something can be problematic and still be a little heartwarming.
Fish:Don't look at me.
Cayleigh:You know, seeing her fall for him is just it's quite cringe. But
Jackie:you're sitting there thinking you don't even know who you are. Right?
Cayleigh:But still nice that it doesn't happen until she is obviously ready for it. Yeah.
Fish:Yes. No. Who's a really big fans movie. Reese Witherspoon who was in a movie that we covered. So apparently her first email address was overboard@aol.com like this,
Cayleigh:she got on it fast.She didn't even have to have numbers.
Jackie:Yeah. Saying
Nate:impressive with AOL.
Fish:Yeah. So that like Goldie Hawn is, is somebody like she's looked up to and motivation for her to like get into acting.
Cayleigh:I read somewhere that Gary Marshall feels like this is his funniest movie.
Nate:I read that too. And it's interest I don't know all the Gary Marshall movies.
Cayleigh:I don't know what movie I would claim is funnier to be honest. So like maybe he's not wrong. I haven't seen all of his film. You know, his collection of directorial debuts but like I love Princess Diaries. It's like a top comfort movie for me mostly because I really really really liked the book series as well. But I wouldn't call it hilarious I mean it's definitely directed towards you know, preteen girls pretty woman and runaway bride again are lovely wine night rom coms, but they're not funny,necessarily.
Fish:Just look through his director credits and nothing scene looks particularly funny on there.
Cayleigh:David threatened to get a water barrel to dunk us when I'm having one of those moments
Nate:there staring off into the distance. Baba Baba Baba
Fish:cure for this actually we do have a rain barrel.
Nate:It's the same thing as just like that was a real barrel that was used to catch rain.Yeah. Up, up, up, up, up, up up.
Fish:Just sitting off in the corner doing that.
Cayleigh:I do feel like that the biggest piece of the puzzle here of like, okay, why did this movie play all the time on television? Why is it a cult classic? Why is it Reese?Witherspoon's favorite movie?
Fish:I'll never know
Cayleigh:it's you know, if you just hear the premise and the front half of this WHAT THE FUCK THE KIDS Yeah, her developing such a love and protectiveness over those kids. Those kids responding to her and falling in love with her back.
Jackie:Yeah. Not wanting to give her back.
Cayleigh:Yes. And not simply because Oh, well. She cooks and cleans for us like she does things for us. But because she cared for them. Yes. They felt love.
Fish:Can I say it was a little creepy when that one kid was like, Oh, she doesn't have much for tests. But she's got a nice ass. Yes. Yeah, this is your fucking mom. Basically. What the fuck, man? The 80s Was that just a product of the 80s or something? Well, I
Cayleigh:think it was also that was the kid who was only reading smut magazines. 24 769 316
Fish:Get Smut magazines on the brain bay with
Nate:Freudian slip.
Cayleigh:Standby. Leap year
Fish:is over 69 years.
Cayleigh:I think it was, you know, playing on that. But yes,it was fucked up. But just a little kid. You know? Are you gonna leave? You know, and just know I'm your mom. I'm your mommy. Not gonna leave.
Jackie:Sometimes mommy's leave.
Nate:Oh, yeah, I think you're
Fish:right. But is that enough to make it a cold? I think not enough to make it a cold classic.
Nate:Kurt Russell and Goldie Hawn just those two together together in the movie, but also the stuff we mentioned earlier about how it approaches some lines. But it doesn't cross them. Like he doesn't try and jump into bed with it. Right?He's trying
Fish:Hold on. So this movie didn't cross lines, but Rudy would cross the line. Wow.cutlets weigh in on this topic,please. I need to hear from you
Jackie:never gonna hear the end of Rudy.
Cayleigh:You have to understand where David comes from.
Fish:Um, I'm just saying if Rudy crossed lines, how did this movie not crossed lines?
Nate:I think I said the same thing about Rudy. Yeah. Nate's
Fish:back on the Rudy team.Well, Rudy, go. Go, Rudy.
Cayleigh:Okay. Anyway, moving on to this episode. I am. What I appreciate, though, is not all actors who are together in real life. Have good screen chemistry, but they totally did.And I absolutely think that was part of it. Yeah.
Fish:I think this was one of the last films they were in.Together up until like the Christmas promises.
Cayleigh:Oh, yes. Really?Please see Kurt Russell. Please.Santa.
Fish:Have you seen those? No,no. They're entertaining. Like one set in Chicago. One came on.
Cayleigh:Winston Winnie the Bish, isn't it? Really? Yeah.
Jackie:When did this come out?I
Fish:think 2018 And the second one came out like 2020 Oh,
Jackie:it's pretty newer.
Fish:But it's worth it.
Cayleigh:It's it's light to put on when you know you're cleaning up after Christmas. Yeah.
Fish:Oh, no. You know, it's it's not a it's not that bad.
Cayleigh:Now that I'm be smirking at either. It's just
Fish:nobody be smart as Billy Joel.
Cayleigh:But yeah, they're you're recommended to see
Fish:I recommend it. Can I throw another thing out there?Yeah, sure. We'll toss it back.We
Cayleigh:don't like it.
Fish:You're gonna like this one guys. guys and gals. People's. Did you guys know that this movie this film overboard? Helped Barack Obama get elected president.
Jackie:Tell us how.
Fish:Okay, I guess I will. So it didn't exactly help him but one of the parties one of the party ladies on the yachts right? Her name was Rielle Hunter. She had an affair. with Jonathan Edwards,who was of course, seeking the presidential nomination to see North Carolina leading up to 20,South 2008. But the scandal derailed his career. So Barack Obama kind of was able to get catapulted into the nomination and then of course would win. So Damn, that's how overboard got
Cayleigh:is your hammer? Is your hamstrings sore? That stretch?
Fish:No stretch the truth.
Nate:And fish pulls a hammy.
Fish:I mean, maybe I need a foam roller, but I'll be alright.
Nate:Wow. So from extra to
Cayleigh:from extra to extra marital? Well, my final thoughts, I suppose it was put on a lot growing up that I don't think I ever need to reach for it again, on a casual whim, this is definitely an episode, you can tell there's some of our episodes where we have pulled hamstrings, because it's a stretch, we just really want to watch a certain movie. And we're just trying to find something to pair it
Fish:with. Not many though.They're all great parents, but
Cayleigh:some of our pairings it's obviously for the pair.Yeah, it's not movies that were like dying to watch. But it just makes such sense together. And so I was happy to watch it again, for the sake of that. I didn't hate it as much as I thought I would though. Because all they took back with me was how problematic the storyline was, I've completely forgot about the plot with the kids.And that definitely made me a little misty, and seeing her character development. And I understand that that in and of itself has problems. But I think it's also I think motherhood is a cool, great thing. And you know, it's not for everyone, but it seems like this character had external forces training her and teaching her you shouldn't be a mom, because you should be the baby. And so she was thrust in a situation to them. And they literally say that if you have a baby, you won't be
Fish:the mom is a fucking psycho.
Cayleigh:Yeah. And so we get,we see that she's been groomed to be this, you know, social light kept woman, you know,whatever. And she got the opportunity to experience motherhood, and she took to it.And she loved it. And she developed these wonderful relationships. And she was good at it. And we kind of see how her strong personality works for that her telling off the teacher will finally she's putting that energy towards good and defending her family and sticking up for them and her tenacity of you know, everything needs to be perfect. And everything needs to be whatever she applied that to their household. And it resulted in discipline in order and, you know, I don't think Kurt Russell's character would have opened his miniature golf course if it wasn't for her. Because she has the drive to do it. She has the creativity, she has the you know, her bitching about her seat or clauses in it sucking okay in the application where she hasn't had any pressure applied to it. And so she's using her powers for evil. It's not nice, but that creative eye and that demand for perfection when applied to a business that needs to be cool and interesting and amazing. You know, we get to she helps those around her achieve their dreams, they end with one being able to read one probably passing math and him opening his golf course
Jackie:see, um, that even the fact that she speaks French she learned these little bits that she wasn't just idle all the time, right? There was a little more to her than we were initially given. Exactly.
Fish:I forgot all about the miniature golf course and I really want to play that course.That looks pretty cool. Just saying quick takeaway points. I thought the chemistry in the in the film was fun, which goes a long way to help any film.Overall enjoyable. I don't think anyone mentioned the term gaslighting. I'm just throwing it out there. But that's all I'm going to do with that.
Cayleigh:But much like Goldie Hawn he's just thrown it off the boat
Fish:right off there. But I think there's some there's some fun there's some some cute moments some some heartfelt moments and I wouldn't definitely not go out of my way to watch it but I wouldn't. If you were watching I wouldn't turn away
Jackie:from my eyes.
Cayleigh:What is the movie that if I was watching you look
Jackie:over the couch.
Fish:I'll think about it. If you throw a bunch out, I'll tell you what
Nate:to sit next to you just look at he's looking off into the distance
Cayleigh:to watch look,
Fish:look away Just look at it and not look away. If Kurt Russell wasn't in it on passing your current
Cayleigh:or gold if neither of them were in it, this movie would be trashed. Yeah, I think I don't think anyone's gonna disagree with you there.
Jackie:We'll have to watch the2018 one to find out.
Cayleigh:It's a note for the offer, that I would look away as
Fish:far as how many Christmas movies in the last even 10 or 15years have been worthwhile.We're not
Nate:the reback of overboard.Oh,
Cayleigh:I thought we were talking. Yeah, we were Yeah, the
Fish:Christmas Chronicles came on. 2018 overboard.
Cayleigh:overboard was this movie without Kurt Russell and Goldie Hawn. Yes.
Fish:Tomo Christmas Chronicles2018.
Nate:Sorry. We're all on board now. Now watch that
Cayleigh:not overboard. Because it has Kurt Ross and Goldie Han,so therefore I will watch it.
Jackie:You. So anyway, I think this movie was really fun. I actually thought it was gonna be a lot worse than it was. I was I was waiting for
Cayleigh:I thought for sure you and Nate would never speak to me again for creating this pairing monstrosity.
Jackie:I was bracing for the worst. I thought for sure he was basically going to rape her.Yeah, like I was bracing for that. So I was pleasantly surprised when that didn't happen. I think he's not again not talking about Kurt Russell or Goldie Hawn. I think his character was way worse than hers. Oh, she was terrible. She was a terrible person. She didn't deserve to basically be kidnapped and gaslands. Right.
Cayleigh:If they had made him again, we've been going on this a lot. But it's important if they had done the backstory with the mom, but also made him a really good dad. Yeah. But just like he couldn't handle it. He was trying his best. Yes. Then yeah, he would have I
Jackie:would have liked to better Yes. And you tighten were like that was his breaking point where he gets pushed overboard and his tools are pushed overboard.Yes. Exactly. Boy.
Fish:Well, the tools were flown for a minute, but then they probably slowing.
Jackie:But you have that kind of being the tipping point of okay, now. Now I'm losing it.
Fish:You gotta fill in the blanks.
Cayleigh:Shawn going around town being a Dudley do right. He does things for little ladies.Yeah, they needed to make him a much more sympathetic. Yes.
Jackie:He was not a sympathetic character at all did not like,yeah, I would have been okay, if they didn't end up together.
Cayleigh:Now. I wouldn't have just because again, I wasn't rooting for them. I was rooting for her relationship with the kids. Big time. They really
Jackie:leaned into that. Yeah,like, Oh, you want her to go back? Because the kid Yeah.Doesn't matter about him. But he's kind of part of the deal.
Fish:I've got a quick question.So I think I knocked it off for a few minutes today, this movie helped during the scene where they're standing outside by the water. And he's like, telling her some story of something. I didn't catch the story.Methodology. Yeah. But the screenwriter said that that was not in the script. And she was very upset that that got put in the film. But I was asleep during that part. So I don't know what happened till you
Cayleigh:saw her cut. What happened? You she didn't want it in there. And you didn't see it in there.
Fish:Good. But how did it detract from it?
Cayleigh:I didn't think it detract from it at all. i She you could tell that him busting out some knowledge about mythology and knowing things sort of tickled the part of her brain pre amnesia. And so she saw like, culture and worth in him. Yeah, for lack of for less finesse way of putting that less classes with, but like, and it also primed us for when they're doing the boat Chase, that he honks three times and so she knows Oh,
Fish:three times on the ceiling. And if you think twice if the answer
Cayleigh:was I have no I don't remember the story of the mythology. I don't know if it's true or not. But it was a good storytelling device or both of those aspects.
Nate:And he savored no they both drowned. Alright, so this is Nate. I liked the movie. I was expecting it to be worse as well. And I my issue or was the problematics storyline, if they had given Kurt Russell's character, some redeeming qualities like we've talked about? I think it would have made it that much better. But ultimately, I think it was cute.It's you know, it's problematic and you're like, holy cow, but they make it funny. And it's because of Kurt Russell and Goldie Hawn that the movie is what it is.
Cayleigh:This movie is like a delicious milkshake. And no,it's bad. For me, but it's very enjoyable in that way. Yes. And I will get a stomachache later.regret having washed
Jackie:constipation
Cayleigh:because I got a little bit of lactose intolerance so that helps. A week.
Nate:Almost made
Fish:you stay in regular. Well,we didn't even mention Lord of the Rings.
Jackie:We'll have another half of this episode. We could
Fish:have gone from the Rudy to Sean Astin the Lord of the Rings. Good overboard.
Cayleigh:He would pulled his hamstring on that Obama thing.
Fish:Someone's gonna find it interesting.
Nate:It was a good stretch the race and yeah, it's interesting that she went from being extra to extra marital like, extra extra.
Cayleigh:Anyway, let's take a quick break. When we come back.We will look at early Sandra Bullock's career in while you were sleeping. Get a Baskin Robbins, huh All right. And we're back. And we are going to take a look at the movie while you were sleeping. And here is the plot.Peter Callahan takes the train to work every morning, mostly without incident until Christmas day when a group of muggers push him onto the train tracks. He wakes up weeks later to the relief of his family and fiance Lucy. The only problem is he can't remember Lucy. The doctors say it is a specialized form of amnesia. And that hole eventually remember, the whole family loves Lucy. And it seems like his brother Jack might love her a little too much. His Godfather, Saul tells Peter that Lucy is the best thing to happen to the family and convinces him that he shouldn't compose again.On the day of the wedding. Lucy had some splainin to do. she confesses that she only knew Peter because she works at the train station he frequented and happened to be there when he was pushed on the tracks. She saved him but her obsession got out of hand when a nurse mistook her for Peter's fiancee. The family receives quite the shock. But later, Jack proposes to her and Peter is left to straighten out his life when he discovers that his real fiance was already married.
Fish:while you're sleeping, was released on April 21 1995, and with a budget of around 17million, went on to make over182 million directed by John turtle top written by Daniel G.Sullivan and Frederick LeBeau.Starring Sandra Bullock, Bill Pullman, Peter Gallagher, Peter Boyle, Glynis John's Jack,warden, and more.
Nate:So that's a huge take for a rom com, isn't it? Yes, but this was the heyday of 90s.
Fish:It's still one of Senator books top grossing movies like,seriously, that's not number one, but it's up there up there.
Cayleigh:That's Wow, that's
Nate:pretty crazy. It's got a
Jackie:higher rating on Rotten Tomatoes than I expected. Yeah,like it's pretty well regarded.
Cayleigh:What's funny is that I haven't seen this movie in a long time. And I saw it when I was pretty young. And so I had a very positive memory of it. But again, knowing storyline, I'm like, it can't hold up. But then I was like, so many people seem to know it. And it seemed to remember, you know what I mean?Like it did well at the box office, et cetera, et cetera. So it was just very surprising watching and again, knowing all that
Jackie:I definitely thought this was a horror movie. Before we embarked on this pairing. I had no idea what this movie was about. I was confusing. It was something else with like Kathy Bates, I think, oh, I don't know what it was. But seriously, I thought this was a legitimate thriller,
Nate:while you're sleeping.
Jackie:Yeah, it sounds like the Chinese Ziva titles even like,scary.
Nate:So I had never seen it. I was expecting kind of the worst because I knew the the theme of the pairing we were going into.I legitimately liked this movie.Yeah. Yeah, it was. It not only holds up it's a really it's a good movie. It's cute.
Jackie:Nates the romantic of us of the goods.
Fish:I can tell you guys, did you know that? A movie came out a year before this movie came out. And it was directed by
Jackie:while you were awake.
Fish:Same guy Who directed Cool Runnings under the movie we talked about. So starting out there.
Jackie:What was the movie called?
Fish:It was Cool Runnings. Oh.same director as this movie.This guy directed Cool Runnings as well. A year before this movie did
Cayleigh:you guys have to remember he started out life as a fish?
Nate:Not big on communicating
Fish:blub, blub, blub.
Cayleigh:Yeah, I mean, it's not gonna win any Oscars or anything like that. And is it just like a few? Is it is it home murky?Yes. It's got Heart to Heart
Fish:interjected may not win any Oscars but Sandra Bullock did get a Golden Globe nomination for this film.
Cayleigh:Joking. Wow. Again,it's a cute movie and everything like that. Golden cool. So it
Nate:was this one. This was one of our early roles. Right?
Fish:She so her breakout role was in speed which came out a year prior to this film. Okay,but she had done some stuff in the early 90s
Jackie:Okay, went from speed to this. Yeah, it's really interesting. Yep. Because he thinks speed could have solidified her status and like
Fish:action action action.
Nate:Yeah,
Cayleigh:but would that have been a good thing? Because she would have just been playing the damsel because that's what she doesn't speed.
Jackie:It might have evolved
Fish:strong damsel she can drive that bus like no other.
Cayleigh:Yeah, it's not a terrible roll. I'm just saying that I feel like I'm especially because we got a taste of it in this movie. But not really. So like I feel like she became kind of the queen of rom coms with Miss Congeniality and two weeks notice and that kind of thing.But what she brought to the table that I feel like it was fresh was being hot like hilarious like like really leaning into this like really funny role and bringing the extra calm to rom com on the woman's side, that you don't see that much. You didn't get that into Julia Roberts movie you didn't really, we're you know,Nora Ephron rom coms funny and well written. Yes, Harry, When Harry Met Sally is very funny.But it's not the same, like mass appeal. In your face humor. It's a little bit witty, or it's a little bit more highbrow humor.Yeah. And so I think that's what Sandra Bullock brought to the genre. But we don't see that in this movie yet.
Nate:No. And back to the Golden Globe nomination. I noted during the movie, probably the first quarter of the movie. I don't know that she had many lines. It was all facial expressions,because everybody was talking over her. Yeah. And
Jackie:she's very mousy,
Nate:he's very mouse, he can conveying a lot and it may have been more than the first quarter of the movie. Like it felt like it went on for a while. And I'm like, this is basically like it's a good movie, but it's Sandra Bullock smiling. Yeah.
Fish:She's comes across as young as she still is young in this field, but like a young,fresh actor, actress, but very,at ease in what she's doing, and it seems very natural.
Jackie:Yeah. What you were saying the only line I can legitimately remember her saying was the title of the movie. At the very end of the movie when she says that Peter asks her how or when she fell in love with Jack and she goes while you were sleeping. That's the name of this movie.
Fish:I didn't even catch that line.
Jackie:I think it's the last line. I just immediately whenever a title is set in a movie or TV show, I call the Arrested Development and say,That's the name of this movie.
Nate:Yes, you did do that.
Fish:He has now who turned down the role for this film? Who?Julia Roberts. Oh, yeah. Demi Moore. You're both offered and turned it down? Because I think Sandra Bullock ended up. She I think she was the first person on board for this film. Because somebody she was in a film called like, love potion number nine, maybe?
Nate:sounds vaguely familiar
Fish:a couple of years prior maybe. And then somebody was somebody that was affiliated with that film was affiliated with this film. So she's like,Yeah, I'll do it.
Cayleigh:I mean, it a little controversial, maybe slightly mean, but someone has to say someone has to say it. Peter Gallagher. Really?
Fish:What about him?
Cayleigh:He's not the most conventionally attractive person to be like the lead role that she's only seen him. She hasn't conversed with him. She hasn't talked with him and is so puppy dog.
Fish:He's an attractive guy.
Jackie:But I think the point is, she's Like building it up in our head, right, you know for sure,
Cayleigh:but I feel like that they you would think that they would choose a more conventionally attractive individual to sell that, you know nothing about salesperson.
Jackie:Gear turned down the role to to do look that up.
Nate:He's the American version of Pierce Brosnan.
Jackie:Oh,
Fish:because he was put together he was on the OC T.Right? Yeah.
Jackie:He was an old he's been in Alaska.
Nate:And he's a
Cayleigh:good actor. Yeah. So I mean, I don't It's nothing I it's no shade against him. As he like, as Schmidt's dad. He has a charm. In the OC, which I tried to watch. Couldn't get through it. I've never He has a charm.So it's nothing against him. And I'm not saying he's unattractive. I'm saying he's not conventionally see him across the room immediately.Start planning your life together. Attractive
Fish:from your perspective,
Cayleigh:from my perspective,correct. That's one
Jackie:who is from your perspective?
Cayleigh:Um, Danny? DeVito.
Jackie:Perfect.Yep. No, I see that. Thank you.
Fish:I gotta rethink my life.
Cayleigh:Only if he's wearing that unitard, you are just badass naked.
Nate:Big fish.
Cayleigh:But like, you know,Richard Gere, you know, for shares browsing then? Yeah, you know, there's endless actors of examples.
Fish:Yeah, I'm not gonna fault them on that one. I think it was in the kind of beginning of the movie. Did you guys see the part where there's like, like a paperboy? And he's throwing papers. And he goes on a fucking falls off in bytes.
Nate:So I read that, but I missed the scene in the movie.
Fish:Oh, I think it was near the beginning.
Cayleigh:It was one of the opening scenes and it was smashed.
Fish:But apparently, it was an accident. And he fucking fell off accidentally and broke his wrist. Oh, but they just use that thing. We're gonna keep that take. That's great. Take a shot. And
Cayleigh:not just because it was actually kind of funny. But it was funny. They wanted to keep the seam of people falling.
Jackie:I was gonna say there I'm remembering other falls.There was an ice skater that fell.
Nate:Yeah, ice skater bit at pretty good. It was probably
Fish:an accident too.
Cayleigh:So and they wanted to keep those shots and to keep a theme and also we haven't even talked about it yet. This whole movie is like a tribute to Chicago. Yeah.
Nate:Pleasantly surprised.Filmed. All in Chicago. I think on location.
Cayleigh:What's funny is I could not find any proof that they actually filmed at Northwestern Memorial. But I feel like they had to have Are they really going to spend the money and take the time to paint the glass with the Northwestern Memorial logo and everything?
Nate:Yeah, it's a good question. I didn't see anything about Northwestern either. Yeah.House the Keller Callaghan's house was in the grand Lagrange.Yeah, yeah. And then her apartment was in Logan Square.From what had to be Northwestern because that's I noticed same thing had the print on the window. And I was
Fish:like, you could see it,
Nate:too. Do you guys remember the blue line?
Cayleigh:So at the end, they are the write off on the red line. I don't remember what line specifically he was getting on.
Jackie:Did they catch the muggers?
Fish:From what I read, only a few scenes were filmed at Northwestern maybe just from the outside. But they hadn't
Cayleigh:really looked like it had to be done.
Fish:I think they just recreated the inside just because they had to film so many scenes that it was just impossible to be in the hospital.
Cayleigh:And yeah, I can't imagine that Northwestern would have like the capacity to offer like a suite for filming. It just seemed interesting that they took the extra step to like really make it prominent in Chicago Yeah, like and that would be the hospital he would be taken to if he fell on those if at all station.
Jackie:They do a good job of making you believe that Lucy would fall into this and go along with it. Yes out of fear.
Cayleigh:And that's why I feel like Sandra Bullock works so well for this role rather than a Julia Roberts or Demi Moore because I don't think I would buy either of them in that super awkward like I would rather die.Yeah. Then have to have a confrontation. Yeah. Yeah. We're Sandra Bullock plays that super quirky, awkward character so perfectly. Yeah.
Jackie:And you get that sense of how lonely she is. And she just
Cayleigh:Oh I cried at the end Yeah when she explains you know tells them I didn't have a family and then I now I did you know after Christmas and what have you so she brought a lot of heart to that role for sure.
Jackie:But yeah at first the premise is so ridiculous like why would you keep going along with this but her characters believable enough to keep going along?
Fish:She's in too deep yeah
Jackie:see the panic
Cayleigh:adding in the grandma having a heart condition and going off anytime she's stressed I think helped really drive it home to Yeah,
Jackie:it's life or death now
Fish:I think because this movie was set in Chicago and made it more interesting for us living by Chicago and kind of caught my attention a little more not that I thought the movie was bad by any means but it made it more interesting which I think is like that for almost any movie that's kind of in your hometown quote unquote
Nate:you get the sense when Peters unconscious that he's kind of not I don't know if he's the black sheep of the family but he's definitely not in great communication with the family are really that tied in and that the family wants him there but he's really not there as much and then when he wakes up not only do they gaslight him about this is your fiancee. They're telling him everything that is and he doesn't have any reason not to believe it. You have amnesia.
Jackie:I believed it too. It's like gaslighting,
Nate:but the amnesia thing too.Yeah, that I guess they believed it too. But he's like, like, Oh,that's
Jackie:weird. She doesn't remember. Yeah,
Nate:you have amnesia. I do.Right? But it's snowballs so quickly on how bad of a person or like just questionable and not right for Sandra Bullock he is
Fish:when they're in the apartment, and it's just all pictures of himself. And when he's flipping through his wallet, pictures of himself.It's like the fuck?
Cayleigh:Right? Well, and it's funny, because it's not until he wakes up that you actually like,get confirmation that Yeah, this guy is a sleaze ball. But in retrospect, not just the pictures, but if you think about it, what kind of family is like,barely knows a girl but because she seems like a normal girl next door. Yeah, they're like,never leave us.We are so happy. Wow.It sort of puts things in place.
Jackie:You get a sense too early on when I think it's as grandma they asked like, what,what drew her to him and she says his smile. And they say something about how his teeth are basically fit. Yeah, like they're all
Fish:caps. Yeah.
Jackie:You get that sense right there that she's making all this stuff up in her head. Right about how perfect he is. Yeah,
Fish:it's fake just like it's
Jackie:just common saying.
Nate:And I liked the side storyline of Sandra Bullock and Bill Pullman both trying to go for their goals or having goals like Bill Pullman's got the business that he doesn't really want to be a part of. But he's got his own furniture building business that he wants to take off and he's got to talk to his dad about it. Sandra Bullock's got the promises are not promises, but stuff that she used to talk to her dad about.That missing him and settling into the routine of life that really has kept her from traveling and doing her her goal. So that's a nice heart.heartwarming moment at the end.
Cayleigh:Definitely,
Fish:Maybe one of our listeners was used to write in the L back in the day, but those are really the tiniest little tokens yet to drop off is like a little tiny token. Like this token. Can't imagine just walking around with a pocket full these little. I mean, it looks like
Jackie:we could also give a ring that worked.
Fish:Doesn't work. I just thought that was weird, tiny tokens,
Nate:how they did it before MetroCards.
Fish:But why can't they have like a trigger says token and tokens too small.
Jackie:Why can't they just have an app?
Fish:So the CTA actually granted the film special access to be there into film for film on the platforms and stuff. They actually shut down the Randolph and Wabash station four weekends in a row for filming. Wow.
Jackie:Dang, which is a lot so Oxford. Chicago. That's a lot.
Cayleigh:Oh my god.
Jackie:That'd be awful.
Cayleigh:A suburbanites mother you know like this movie. Oh,look, Chicago actual Chicagoans who lived through the filming of this are like fuck that movie.
Jackie:Alright, my stop and oh my god.
Nate:I had to walk.
Fish:I guess for one day they shut down a different station because one of the lines wasn't electrified so they were able to like show them down on the tracks on the tracks. Because I was Wondering then I'm like,Huh? Look. Don't touch the third rail.
Cayleigh:Which it's interesting because the CTA is notoriously litigious, because the ban Chicago was originally the Chicago Transit Authority and they got sued.
Jackie:The family and Jack all Forgiver pretty quickly there at the end. Like no one's no one's super shocked or upset.
Cayleigh:Also, I mean, that's got to be like an awkward holiday situation from then on.
Fish:Too, send like you tried to, like marry or not even
Cayleigh:that maybe I'm just not a very secure person. But like, if I had a sister and David had like, a huge crush on her to the point that he pretended he was married to her,and then later fell in love with me. I would never be able to emotionally recover from that.
Jackie:Yeah, that's a little strange.
Cayleigh:I don't think I would
Nate:put it that way.
Fish:You just ruin the movie.
Cayleigh:Like, okay, you have a brother Jackie, you know, like if she had had a huge crush on your brother forever. Like, you know, wouldn't that be weird? It would be weird. Weird. Yeah.
Jackie:And even even beyond that. They're flirting with each other quite a bit. Well, she supposedly married or engaged his brother right? They kind of breeze right past that to
Fish:slipping and sliding everywhere fallen down. At one point in the movie, remember he?What does he do that one night that he gets? Because blocked in with his parking space. He can't leave.
Nate:He they were delivering the couch to his brother's apartment. It was an engagement gift.
Fish:What did he end up doing that whole night though, because he was
Cayleigh:working on his car would hopefully be free.
Nate:He walked her home. They fell all over the ice. And then he walked back
Fish:and then just like waited by his car for five hours. And Nicole's.
Nate:Probably reading too far in the movie. Put in reverse and slowly pushed to the other side of the squat at best.
Jackie:What did you see about fiancee?
Nate:Oh, there are three appropriate pronunciations to the word fiance in the English language. And in the scene where they're around the hospital bed.They use all three staying. So you can put the accent on either three, any of the three syllables and it's correct. I can't do the first one appropriately. Fiance or its fiance, or my fiance.
Jackie:Or wife, my future wife.
Fish:Each wife's easier. Yeah.
Nate:So apparently, each like three different people say their fiance and they all use different pronunciations.
Fish:Was that on purpose? They just had a note where the accent line was I'm sure if I would have just read the scripts and seen that word. You know I wouldn't have maybe
Nate:paid salary 10 How would you pronounce it?
Fish:A fiance The third way to Jhansi Beyonce feeling Dragonball Z? Beyonce probably
Jackie:Beyonce.
Fish:More you say a word the weirder it sounds. We're gonna rain.
Nate:How about her? Is the landlord son. Joe Jr. or something? Like, shall we, Joe?Yeah.
Fish:Joe dunya. Yeah.
Nate:He was quite a piece of work.
Fish:He turns out being
Nate:I mean, he was it turned out to having a sweet side.Yeah. But yeah, I definitely was
Jackie:like the abrasive in the beginning obsessed with her, but kind of likable.
Cayleigh:I think that Laura is likable only because how she responded to him. Yeah, she was like she knew how to deal with him. Yeah. And then like, there was the one scene where
Nate:kind of showed he was harmless.
Cayleigh:Yes, but then the third floor lady like broke up with him and he was upset and she's like, okay, common side,try on my shoes.
Fish:She actually seemed the most confident dealing with him.Because a lot of times in movies, she was a little bit kind of unsure. Yep. When dealing with them. She knew exactly what to do and just like not Okay, goodbye.
Jackie:So I ended up with him.
Fish:It's not too late. I'm surprised no one's mentioned Independence Day.
Cayleigh:I was literally my head figuring out how to bring it up. Um, we'll just say it in
Jackie:our stretch. This took place on Christmas Day. And then New Year's Day, which is only a hop skip and a jump from
Fish:one of the greatest films.
Cayleigh:I haven't seen it.You've never seen it why
Jackie:summer series then nobody suggested
Fish:we're still in July. We could still watch him watch anytime during this month was true.
Jackie:No, at this point. We're in August. Like mid August right?
Fish:Don't tell our cut. Let's cut that part. It's moving magic.
Cayleigh:Yeah, the weed This is live. If you call this right now you'll be on there.
Jackie:How it works. So Independence Day, was that the only thought?
Fish:Yeah, Bill pull middle Pullman.
Cayleigh:I have another one.Young Frankenstein
Fish:sing in advance and sort of funny. We get it
Jackie:now I'll say it again.
Fish:You guys can try it. It's fun. Doo doo doo doo doo doo so you know Peters apartment that was in Chicago's Lake point tower. pretty snazzy place,right. A couple other movies film there. including, but not limited to meet the parents. And lake house which Sandra Bullock is in lake house. Okay. Kind of cool. I looked up some of the condos there just to see what they looked like and how much they were. Some of them get pretty pricey over 800,000 for a condo there. Like a nice feel.You can actually find a really nice condo for rent for like$8,000 a month. Yeah, what?Microphone? I'm trying to think very spendy at what
Cayleigh:point in Meet the Parents are they in a high rise Chicago apartment.
Fish:Something is filmed there.Trust me on this one. Just trust me.
Cayleigh:I don't care for that movie. So I'm not like gonna watch it. Walker. Stiller, I thought it mostly took place at
Fish:a house in Chicago probably
Cayleigh:didn't even place in Chicago. I don't know.
Jackie:I don't remember seeing
Fish:in a long time. Pretend it happens. We learned
Cayleigh:in my in our heavyweights episode that I'm not a Big Ben Stiller fans. My cats in this movie. Yeah. I love how you responded to it. Like, I really brought something good.Like I brought something
Jackie:to the table. Right?
Cayleigh:There were cats. Yeah.
Nate:So that kind of threw me though. When she was in Peters apartment, looking for the cat to feed the cat. Like was she not sure that he had a cat?
Cayleigh:No, because the only clues she had to go off of was when she got his when she got his personal effects. There was a can of cat food. And so that's why she's like oh kit. And that's how she ended up in his apartment. She was never going to go to his apartment and snoop around because again, what I like is that nothing happens out of her desperation until much later when we can forgive her because she's gotten to know the family and feel the love from them more sincerely. So again,she wasn't going to use it as an excuse of like, Oh, I'm an obsessive stalker, and I want to see where this handsome man sleeps. She's like, Oh my God,because she's a cat owner, too.So she's, of course, like, gotta feed to feed the cat like, Oh,no cameras.
Fish:So
Jackie:why was this kind of fiance's cat there in the first place? If they had kind of broken up? I think she just jetsetting
Fish:everywhere. She just seemed like someone.
Cayleigh:She left the country.So she didn't bring her cat with her. Yeah. Which did make Peter a little more sympathetic to me that he did in the cat.
Fish:Yeah, he took care of the change that litter box.
Nate:Did she pick up the personal effects when she was talking to his lawyer friends?It was right
Fish:around that time. So I think one of the police officers like candidate turns like
Cayleigh:going into the elevator and she just wants to get the fuck out of there. And he hands her the personal effects and she's all like,again, they do such a everything is so methodical yes movie, and it is actually a very well sought out movie. It's a puzzle.And they do a really good job of putting her in situations that there's just no way out. And that was another way that they framed that if she had been in his hospital room and they handed her the personal effects.I feel like maybe you'd be like,well, you know, everything's calm there. You could have explained it there. But because she was trying to get out of there. I think
Nate:it and she learns about his accident. Yeah, lends her the ability to, you know, one does
Cayleigh:the goal. Yeah. Well,then I'm second guessing if that happens
Nate:at the same time, it was around the same time she had to
Cayleigh:learn about the testicle kind
Fish:of early. They're both right around like an elevator scene, though. Yeah, they are both around elevator scenes. I'm almost certain so maybe that's what the mixup is. But either way, doesn't matter.
Cayleigh:It's not like we're a podcast about movies.
Fish:Don't play basketball with pencils in your pockets.Someone's tests go out pop it
Nate:takes pop. That's how it goes.
Jackie:Oh, I think it'd be a little higher.
Cayleigh:But her cat was adorable. is a beautiful cat.Yes.
Fish:What's it like a long haired cat?
Cayleigh:Yeah. Calico.
Nate:What was the other the other one was like a gray fluffball?
Cayleigh:It was? I think a Persian Yeah, squish face. rich person cat. Yeah. Do rich people actually have Persians? Or do they just cast Persian cats for rich people? Because it's now become like, well, they're rich.They have to have a Persian cat to show that the rich right?
Nate:And when did it become a thing? Yeah.
Jackie:Yeah. Good question.
Fish:Send us an email, if you know
Cayleigh:really digging to the depths of this film.
Nate:That's the is the cat that's a spokesperson. Spokes cat for fancy feast? Is that a person? Yeah. That's where it happened.
Cayleigh:Maybe
Fish:because they fancy now?Yeah,
Jackie:oh, fancy.
Fish:This movie kind of makes memory loss seem extra scary.Because if you do, like, fall or hit your head, and maybe you are unconscious for any period of time, it could be a minute, it could be an hour day, a week,whatever. How will you truly know if if you've lost your memory, not because he didn't lose any memories. But people were convinced, like other people convinced him that he did. So then he effectively did lose his memories like it makes memory loss seem scary.
Cayleigh:I think part of the issue is that we don't even after Peters awake. We don't get very many scenes of him and Lucy interacting or interacting. I don't even know if one on one would make a difference. But just interacting at all. I don't think we really get a real scene of them interacting until after Saul has his talk with Peter.Yeah,
Fish:yeah. But I think it's just to help maintain like the illusion because if they were to hang out more, he would just start to realize more that
Jackie:could match. Then you can have the dramatic wedding scene.
Cayleigh:I guess. I mean, it makes sense in the context of the actual film itself. Because up until Saul tells Peter Hey,you know, you should read propose to her if you see anything when you look at her if there's any sort of Spark at all, because Lucy is so set on trying to make it right, that she didn't mean to get into this position. She didn't mean for this to happen. She didn't ask for this to happen. And she's just trying to find the right time to set things straight and the right moment to clear things up. And so I think that again,it's sort of coordinated to keep her away from Peter because then she would just tell him, yeah,it sort of keeps Lucy's nose clean. As a character in the movie.
Nate:Yeah. Also, at the end in the wedding scene. Why was the nurse there? Are they getting married in the hospital?
Fish:Oh, yeah. And she was the one who kind of started this.
Nate:Why? No, I was I was like,it's well
Jackie:fainted when he actually proposed.
Fish:But yeah, it was like the,in the hospital because he still had a hospital gown on.
Cayleigh:Yeah, so final thoughts. It was heartwarming in the moments as I was watching it. I was, you know, smitten by Peters family. I think they did a great job casting them to seem like real blue collar. Like a real family. I was rooting for Sandra Bullock's character. And you know her speech at the And I think they did a great job showing how awkward she is showing how alone she really is and the benefit that she gets by not saying anything. And so I was rooting for her even given the problematic situation that this whole movie is in. Is it Hall murky? Yes. But I think it is top tier homework
Jackie:was it Hallmark before Hallmark was a thing. I must
Cayleigh:admit we set it set the standard. This gave
Fish:Hallmark the idea Yeah.
Jackie:More movies like Hallmark.This feel this vibe.
Fish:Quick takeaway. I feel like this movie could have been easily set in New York, but I'm glad it's in Chicago. The acting overall was was pretty darn good. You know, Sandra Bullock very good, acting both verbal and non verbal, as Nate pointed out, which was which was unique and in lended to her characters,quirks and what helped get her in this predicament to begin with is she just isn't necessarily want to speak up and say what's up. So, but it wasn't it was enjoyable for what it is,was a cute
Jackie:movie. Like Kaylee said,big Hallmark vibes immediately.I had never seen this I don't think I think again, three of us hadn't seen this. And Kaylee had seen it.Correct.But it was it was cute. The I wouldn't go out of my way to watch it again. I do like Sandra Bullock I think she did a good job. Yeah, that's cute. That's pretty much my final thought.
Nate:I was pleasantly surprised with the movie I thought it was going to be more cringe turned out being pretty cute. I think Kaylee mentioned that it was very well written and thought out. So there aren't really loopholes that are at least obvious. I'm sure if you really dig in, you could find one. But it was really thought out on when she encountered each situation and how it progressed to the next step of the story.So that she could get to that big speech at the end and finally reveal to the family everything that's been going on.And also fish pleasant to be set in Chicago. So that was fun.
Cayleigh:And not like throwaway set in Chicago Yes. Like digging in deep showing us landmarks sprinkling a little culture.
Nate:Yep, they could have easily used like stock footage of the L or something like that and given you the the sense that it was in Chicago.
Fish:Ooh, and hot dog vendor on the street. kept fucking up her order. Yep. And again, it kind of lend it to you know, she's just not like speaking up.
Nate:She's the other thing when they were walking down the street Michigan Avenue. It's not Lakeshore drive. It's along the river. She's walking with Bill Pullman down the river. It looked like all the railings and everything were like super freshly painted. Like it was all pristine and I was like, I wonder if they keep it that way?Or like if we go to a town now if it if it looks that pristine,or if it's just like the fresh coat of paint for the movie,probably. But they were right along the river and the river walk there. Yeah. And it was
Fish:funny when they kept putting onions in our hot dogs.It should just be flicking them off like onions everywhere and got mustard on her hand and everything. All right,
Nate:we'll kick it to a break.And when we come back we'll do some comparison and we're back.
Fish:I've got a comparison. We got carpenters in both movies.Bill Pullman was Jack he's like a little part time carpenter that wants to turn into a full time gig and then and then and then Kurt Russell carpenter.
Cayleigh:So that reminds me I had read that when they wrote the original script for while you were sleeping they had considered having it be a woman going in a calma and a man being the Lucy character that it was going to be flipped and that they decided against that because they felt like it would read predatory and I just find that so interesting because I don't think they're wrong. And yet overboard was made five years seven years ahead of this to no one in that writing room think. I thought I was gonna find information about how it was maybe loosely Based on overboard or that they got some inspo from overboard, and the fact that not only did I not read anything like that this movie was not even remotely anything to do with overboard not inspired by not anything, or at least not publicly, that they considered doing basically the same setup, but then decided against it because it read creepy.
Jackie:I just think in that time period, like late 80s,early 90s amnesia was a hot topic and like, a fun thing to put into movies, TV shows, soap operas, obviously. So I yeah, I could see where it's not necessarily based on it, but I see what you're saying to that there could be some inspiration there of just having this guy kind of questioning. Is this real?
Nate:And I think the predatory piece, is it Was there enough of a culture change between 87 and95. It seems like there
Jackie:was they, which is crazy question.
Cayleigh:Yeah. Especially because Okay, let's say and it's funny because in my research for this, trying to find, again,when I'm researching so we don't overlap too much. I mostly try to look for message boards conversations. What are the people saying? And the only thing I could really find for while you were sleeping was someone on like shower thoughts or whatever that was like, if you recast while you were sleeping and recast Peter Gallagher with you know, an A list actress leading lady and you recast Sandra Bullock with a neck beard. Everyone would be appalled and call it the most disgusting movie ever made.Okay? But would they because they, Sandra Bullock's character never asserts herself as she's not tricking anybody until it's like too late. You know what I mean? We talked about it a lot in our comparison that this isn't a stunt she pulled like, I have to wonder if the person posing that question knows the synopsis of while you were sleeping but hasn't actually ever watched the movie. Because she Sandra Bullock's character from a black and white perspective isn't being predatory. It's kind of that trope of miscommunications.
Nate:And then she's caught in the situation. Yeah. snowballs.Exactly.
Cayleigh:And her and, Peter,they don't even so much as kiss.Yeah, the entire movie. I don't even know. Do they even touch?Like hold hands or anything?
Fish:I don't think so. No, I was kind of waiting for that,like Sleeping Beauty like kissing like, Oh, let me see if this wakes him up. Yeah. I'm glad it wasn't
Cayleigh:sleeping and when he's unconscious, because she talks to him. Yeah, that's it. That's the only physical contact they have. Which seems again, pretty innocent. From my perspective.Even if you switch the roles.
Nate:Yeah, if you if it was done in the same way, where you know, the genders are flipped and somebody gets caught it's same same storyline, you get caught in that communication,breakdown. And, and then it snowballs. I think it depends on the actors that you have in each role and how they're, how they're played. Right? You know,because if you have a female in the coma, and she comes out and she plays it the same way that Peter Gallagher did where it's like, she would be the powerhouse attorney right? And kinda very confident very full of herself and I could see it working. Yeah, maybe I'm wrong.
Fish:I can see almost like a Seth Rogen in that. Like he's playing Sandra Bullock's character.
Cayleigh:No, I actually cast cast Seth Rogen. I don't I think it's exactly how it's portrayed without changing it. I don't think it becomes predatory just because Seth Rogen.
Jackie:I don't think he could pull off that kind of timid vibe, though. Like I could picture from. Oh, it's a musical. We watched the what's his name? The plant one.
Nate:Rick Moranis.
Jackie:Yeah, I could picture like a Rick Maranis? Yeah.
Cayleigh:Although I will say I mean, I do not have to go watch it because I'm not going to recommend that you go and watch it. So you just take our word for it. Seth Rogen very much surprised me and Pam and Tommy,which is interesting that we bring him up again, full circle,because he plays a very timid,like gets pushed around. He plays the character in Pam and Tommy of the carpenter who gets fucked over. So But anyway, I digress. Yeah, so I mean,there's a lot of actors a Michael Cera in that role. Yeah,just any of your awkward Yeah,Shy Guys. Whereas like you say overboard. is pretty Oh, again,pleasantly surprised that they don't go there on, you know, he has her sleep on the couch. And you know, they also don't kiss or anything like that and until she's ready, but it is, by definition predatory. He's kidnapping her to play a prank on her and teach her a lesson.Right? So I think the con
Jackie:beyond predatory to the fact that he's making her work and yeah,
Cayleigh:and the other thing too I mean, I think it's a valid argument that even though they don't engage in a romantic relationship until she is from an 80s definition, consenting from a today's lens, she can't consent. She doesn't know the situation she's in. She's not aware, that's a false pretense.So she just there's no situation no matter how much she likes him or whatever, if she's not being told the truth, she can't consent.
Jackie:She has some form of brain damage. Yes, yeah.
Fish:Both movies, you know,center around memory, and why am I like amnesia, and he's forgetting which, like Jackie mentioned earlier, was definitely used a lot as plot devices, and
Jackie:sexy.
Cayleigh:Was, that's how I feel every time that David forgets what we're doing that day. I just, I can't keep
Jackie:but uh, he forgot the word amnesia.
Fish:Whoa, let's turn this car.But you definitely don't see it.much at all, I think nowadays is like, plot devices or anything I think it's for the better because I think a lot of, you know, audiences and smarter.Audiences just kind of see it as a little bit of a cop out or an easy out.
Cayleigh:It's like how time travel is starting to become a thing that people can't stand when a show or movie goes there.
Fish:It's like, Oh, someone died, we will just go back in time and save them. Like, that's not cool. Maybe it was cool. The first time you saw it like a long time ago, but it's just overused. Yeah, that's not cool.
Cayleigh:I have to wonder, is it just because these things kind of go in and out of fashion? Was there cinematic work or whatever that did it first that was very prolific that we missed in our research.Was there a very famous case or a true medical case where someone had amnesia, and thus people started making, you know,media based on that? Like, I'm just curious, the root cause of this situation?
Jackie:Yeah. Because you even think like 50 first dates, doing it to like memory loss. Right.And I feel like you've talked before Kayleigh about how audiences today want things to be more realistic. And something about amnesia storylines never feels realistic.
Fish:So I think about images anymore these days. Is it a thing? Are we are we beyond amnesia?
Jackie:Did we fix amnesia?
Nate:We just put in a scene.
Fish:Just put amnesia in a closet locked it away.
Nate:We forgot about it.
Cayleigh:I mean, it's a legit thing. How to get amnesia.
Jackie:Oh, no.Oh, no,
Nate:that's dark.
Cayleigh:So this is from the Wikipedia page for amnesia. And it has a section that says in fiction, real diagnoseable amnesia, people getting knocked on the head and forgetting their name is mostly just a rumor in the world. It's a rare condition and usually a brief one. In books and movies though versions of amnesia lurk everywhere from episodes of Mission Impossible to meta fictional and absurdist masterpiece with dozens of stops in between. So
Fish:I thought
Cayleigh:and I think again,with both of these movies and perhaps one did it better than the other is again I think why all of us walked into this episode bracing for the worst possible scenarios on both movies is because if you're just given a dry plot, you know just like like a very like a back of the movie. You're at Blockbuster you spin the movie over that is all you're given, you know?Yeah, that doesn't sound like it's gonna go well I'm just telling it's gonna age well at all what the fuck? But they did a really good job of making Peter Gallagher's character seem like you know, kind of a scumbag he's you know, got All these pictures of himself, he's engaged to a married woman. He's like, he's starting to confess all the terrible things he's done to his brother. And he's going on and on. So they really do a good job of showing that like, no, like, this is not her prince charming. This is not a fairytale ending, she absolutely did not end up with him, to give us the audience a reason to forgive her and it to be okay for her to end up with the brother. They do an amazing job of making the brothers seem like, you know, Mr. Dudley do right, and has to be the one to take care of the family because his brother ran off and couldn't and you know, didn't and, you know, he's the sweet guy who you know, is always around and builds furniture and oh, gosh,how cute is that? And so it again gives us permission to not be mad and villainize him for kind of falling in love with his brother's fiancee. You know, all of these nuances matter. I think that one of the thing that drives me crazy on message boards and movie reviews, is when they completely pull out all the nuance Yep. Because context matters,
Nate:overboard, did the exact same thing as they go through and show you his lifestyle on the boat without her there. And basically, give you context and permission to accept what Kurt Russell has done and to talk to start to forgive him for things like oh, the, you know, her husband's on the boat, living this, you know, playboy lifestyle. And, you know, her mom is checking, like, really kind of not checking, like checking in at a high level,like, where's my daughter? And that's about all you get, like until what she needs to two months, and she pushes.
Cayleigh:Yeah. Which, like I say, I do think again, I don't
Jackie:Yeah, it would
Cayleigh:have been okay if she didn't end up with him.think overboard did as good of a job with the character development. Interestingly enough, I think on this podcast,we've had issues where the male characters get, you know,amazing stories and development and the women characters don't I Mm hmm.I think nowadays, I think they would write it where she goes think overboard is, oddly enough. The opposite. Yeah.Because she gets amazing character development. Yeah,that's a it's a wonderful, you know, journey from that perspective. And I don't really have any complaints with how they handled her character. I also think they did. I agree.They do a good job of making you not want to see her with her off on her own.I think nowadays they would take better care to make Kurt husband. They do a great job villainizing him. But I just don't think they did a great job. Making the only thing that made Kurt Russell's character sympathetic is Kurt Russell.Yeah. So there was definitely room for improvement there.Russell's character more simple.
Fish:Oh, she's gonna kick the dude all rom com she's gonna be overboard and she's gonna be partying with the the staff
Jackie:Yeah, exactly. Sounds like a great film, keep everything the same except she leaves off on her own it because
Cayleigh:then it's not a rom com
Jackie:it's a rom com with herself. It's all learned to love herself.
Fish:One of the things that I did like about overboard was although they were able to kind of she was able to kind of get the kids like in line to some degree but they they didn't like fully change who they were like they were still rambunctious troublemakers, and hooligans,but she was able to like reel it back to some level of like,sanity and not just 24/7HellRaisers. So they kind of maintain that, that their personality and the the overall level of fun that the family likes to have and silliness.
Cayleigh:So next week, we keep rolling with Sandra Bullock with crash. And again, this is going to be an interesting pairing folks, we are pairing it with Brokeback Mountain. And if you know, you know, and if you don't know, it is one of the most contentious Oscar upsets in Oscar history. Crash won best picture over Brokeback Mountain and people were livid still to this day. So we will watch both movies for ourselves and draw our own conclusions as to you know, maybe why the academy made the decision they made. We'll catch you. We'll catch you for that. contentious debate. Follow us on Instagram at couplescutpodcast and on Twitter at couplescutpod to keep up with our latest updates. If you have a question for us, or a pairing suggestion, send us an email to couplescutpodcast@gmail.com Be sure to follow us wherever you listen. And if you like what you heard, leave us a review. Thanks for listening