It's a classic twin mix-up with It Takes Two (Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen, Kristie Alley, Steve Guttenberg) and The Parent Trap (Lindsay Lohan, Dennis Quaid, Natasha Richardson).
(This episode contains spoilers)
Where to watch It Takes Two?
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Where to watch The Parent Trap?
Disney+
* As of August 2022 in the USA
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It's a classic twin mix-up with It Takes Two (Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen, Kristie Alley, Steve Guttenberg) and The Parent Trap (Lindsay Lohan, Dennis Quaid, Natasha Richardson).
(This episode contains spoilers)
Where to watch It Takes Two?
hoopla
Where to watch The Parent Trap?
Disney+
* As of August 2022 in the USA
For more shenanigans, follow us on Instagram @couplescutpodcast or TikTok @couplescutpodcast, Twitter @couplescutpod or send us an e-mail at CouplesCutPodcast@gmail.com
Transcript available on our website: https://CouplesCut.buzzprout.com/
What are you doing sir?
Fish:Just getting the foot exercise. Okay. It's called donkey kick.
Cayleigh:I'm aware
Fish:get up there
Cayleigh:just talking
Nate:you can touch the ceiling don't put a hole in
Jackie:Yeah, I think this whole ceiling was
Fish:pretty cool
Cayleigh:Hello and welcome to couples con. A podcast where two couples the goods and the fishes. Hi Hello. Give their commentary on a fine pairing movies
Jackie:in case it isn't obvious there will be spoilers for both movies during this podcast.
Cayleigh:Are we ready? For the best episode that we're ever gonna record?
Fish:It'll be a short one certified. I'll be short one.
Cayleigh:This is what's gonna get us a million subscribers.
Nate:We're nearly
Cayleigh:a million.
Jackie:They are so negative.
Fish:I know.
Cayleigh:This is this is the moneymaker right here folks,potentially our most intellectual episode
Nate:that I believed you up until here.
Jackie:Definitely
Cayleigh:our most cinematic. If you were a cinephile, this is free, you know, was highbrow
Fish:no
Jackie:many awards? Yeah.
Cayleigh:I mean, honestly discussed
Jackie:and film classes
Cayleigh:it changed discuss the industry. This isn't the best movie. It's just a tribute.You gotta
Fish:believe it. Wish you were there. Can
Cayleigh:you believe it?
Nate:That's just a matter of opinion.
Cayleigh:I am stone cold sober.Not a drop. This is from my heart.
Nate:Not even
Jackie:water.
Cayleigh:Not even not even caffeine. Okay, folks, we got the Parent Trap. And it takes two which is apparently also a video game which made researching this movie very difficult on my
Jackie:on a song.
Fish:There's also a movie that came out years and years ago with the same title
Cayleigh:correct.Although that's that was not as relevant of a problem in my research, but if you search on Reddit, it takes two it's gonna be hundreds of postings about a game called it takes two. And the worst part is if you qualify it with it takes to movie they're making a movie about video games. Dwayne The Rock Johnson is involved. So that did not help.
Fish:What's the game about?
Cayleigh:I don't fucking know.
Jackie:No, you did so much research.
Cayleigh:No, I, every time I start now, even if it's the best game in the world. I don't I don't even want to I don't even want to know her. Cuz she made my life hard. But anyway,that's what we're working with rapid fire though.
Fish:It's an action adventure platform game. It's very highly rated published by EA Electronic Arts. Yeah, it was released last year. 2021 Wow. It's pretty new.It looks pretty fun. I can I want to play now.
Cayleigh:When David does that.Does it make your job difficult and frustrating?
Nate:I've just gotten to the point where I leave in.
Cayleigh:No, I just mean when he goes
Nate:oh, yes, yes. When he doesn't talk in the mic. Do I just I left that I left that party.
Cayleigh:Okay, when it's me crazy when he doesn't hit because he's given great information. But he's all the way over here talking to the wall. But
Fish:I'm out on I need like four mics whatever direction so it doesn't matter where I'm looking. It's just going to pick me up no matter where I'm at. I
Nate:think we need to put like,we need a microphone helmet for you. So no matter which way you turn the mic is in your face.David
Cayleigh:needs the Britney Spears mic. Anyhow rapidfire what is the ship that you shipped that didn't ship?
Fish:Relationship? Yes. What if it?
Cayleigh:Could Parent Trap them? You would? What it was what could it takes to them?You would
Fish:Can we pick a nautical ship?
Cayleigh:No.
Fish:Never set sail.
Cayleigh:Nautical chip ships kiss.
Fish:Yeah.
Cayleigh:No big ships don't have lips next.
Jackie:They could have lips.
Cayleigh:No
Jackie:paint them on.
Cayleigh:Okay, I know I've seen
Jackie:are those mermaid figures on the bow?
Fish:What if somebody wanted to have a relationship with this ship? What are you? Are you ships aiming for Okay.
Cayleigh:Any drugs? Um, my name is Kaylee and the ship that I shipped that didn't ship
Fish:this just specifically movies are all entertaining
Cayleigh:any fictional
Fish:can be nonfiction
Cayleigh:I would prefer. It's weird when people ship real people.
Jackie:That's gonna be tough. I can't even have characters that haven't gotten together.
Nate:I've got one
Jackie:like, movies or let me look, you've got one. I think
Nate:so. You guys are gonna tell me it doesn't count. Okay.Okay, the ship or
Cayleigh:the ship that you ship that never shipped
Nate:the ship that I shipped that never shipped? Yeah. Buffy and Angel.
Cayleigh:Oh, that's I was thinking about that. Because I saw Buffy over there and I do ship it. Yeah, I don't like that. I ship it but I
Nate:do. I wish they would have worked out in some way shape or form. But they can't
Cayleigh:I so agree that
Nate:yeah, that's the ship that I shipped that I was gonna be a preferred. No, he turned human and just be done with it.
Jackie:Oh, for looking at those DVDs. I would say I would have liked Rory and Jess turned up together in a healthier way.Like where they both grew up and matured.
Cayleigh:I'm just gonna leave that word as
Fish:what about the notebook?
Cayleigh:What about the notebook?
Fish:I never seen it.
Cayleigh:Excellent start David.
Fish:I'm just looking stuff up.This is Ellie and Noah broke up for years and the notebook that was too many years apart. Oh,what about Ennis and Jack? You know, moving from last week.
Nate:Works
Jackie:good one.
Fish:This is fish. And I think that's my pick just because it's gonna take me a couple hours to figure out anything else. So that's it. Brokeback. Jackass where
Jackie:Charlie and the waitress from always sunny.
Cayleigh:Okay, then I pick and no one is no work here, but it's fine. Charmed.
Fish:way later, yes,
Cayleigh:no. Um, I liked Phoebe and Cole even though they were super toxic and problematic.They had really good chemistry,and then they completely destroyed Phoebe's character after Cole left by making her obsessed with finding a husband.And at least when she was with Cole, it was like she was a person with thoughts and ideas and goals and stuff and she wasn't just obsessed with having a husband so I choose that ship.So anyway, I think we should start with it takes two just because it technically released before the low hand Parent Trap even though that's what I have first right here your original Parent Trap obviously 1961 Get into the complexities about the things that everything is based off of and then you could just go one right in front of the other about which technically came first story wise so
Fish:Oh, yeah, cuz you might,you might take it all the way back to the 1800s.
Cayleigh:I sure mine.
Fish:Oh, spoiler. teasers,let's
Cayleigh:get a plot on this Olsen classic.
Fish:Amanda has to summer camp with her orphanage. While there,she's there to ring the doorbell in a mansion nearby. The bullet pulsar inside mistaking her for Alyssa, the daughter of a billionaire. Alyssa meanwhile,has run away because her father is remarried a mean gold digging socialite Diane, one of the social workers and Amanda's closest friend mistakes Alyssa for Amanda. The girls eventually run into each other and see that they look identical. They come up with a plan to switch places to get Alyssa's father Roger and Amanda's social worker Diane fallen in love. Their plans are working until Rogers girlfriend decides to move the wedding.Taking Roger and Amanda to the city. Alyssa is surprise when suddenly she is adopted as Amanda by the Butkus family. He will people who collect orphans from manual labor. Right before the wedding. Amanda convinces the butler that she isn't Alyssa and comes up with a plan to rescue Alyssa from the Butkisses. With Diane's help,Diane and Alyssa crash the wedding. And Roger confesses he'd rather be with Diane. It's never explained why Amanda and Alyssa look identical
Jackie:fish backs
Fish:it takes to released on November 17 1995 And with a budget of an unknown amount went on to make over $19 million directed by Andy Tennant written by Deborah Dean Davis and starring Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen. Kirstie Alley, Steve Guttenberg, Philip Bosco and Jane Sibbett.
Jackie:That was released a day before my ninth birthday.
Nate:Wow.
Fish:Nice. Like yes. Did you see it in the theater?
Jackie:Not that I remember.
Fish:That would have been a cool birthday gift.
Jackie:Sure.
Fish:I guess you didn't like the movie.
Jackie:No, actually, I loved the Olsen twins back then. For sure. I watched everything they did. Same, but I don't remember seeing any of the movies like I never felt like they were actually movie theater movies.
Cayleigh:Just this one was almost all their stuff. What dual star like to grandmother's house How the West Was what like all that stuff was direct to VHS.
Jackie:That's what Yeah, I think of when I think of them.Yeah.
Cayleigh:It takes two and then I think they had a few others that were like movie theater movies. But yeah,
Fish:I think they started a production company when they were about 10. And they started producing their own films. I think this might have been one of the first films they produced.
Nate:At 10 years old.
Fish:Yeah. Did you guys know that this is the same director as ever after another film it talks about?
Cayleigh:Yes.
Nate:I was gonna ask when you said it in fish facts. I was like, that sounds familiar. It
Fish:sounded familiar. I had to double check what else you did other movies in this vein, kind of like rom com me a little bit.
Nate:It's interesting with the plot. And the Olsen twins, you know, think of it as a rom com but it kind of is with Kirstie Alley and Steve Gutenberg and together
Cayleigh:so I wrote a good article that was more of a highlighting of the screenwriter,
Fish:Deborah Dean Davis,
Cayleigh:yes. And basically,she was approached to write a movie for the Olsen twins. So that's how it started. And she started with this inspiration from the Prince and the Pauper.And then she weaved in the romantic storyline between the parents in with it. And she used the character of Diane is more of a self insert. So she related a lot to that character, the humor that she wanted out of that character, the kind of like, sarcastic and whatever nature is more herself insert there. And I guess in her original script, she did not have a step mother character that wasn't a driving force, it was simply that he was going to be a single dad who didn't have enough time for his daughter.And so she was gonna have the relationship with the butler.And more of just not this like ticking time bomb of like, Oh,my God, there's an evil stepmom and we have to make sure they don't get married. It was just more hey, I got a single dad and you got you know, you're
Jackie:Yeah, it almost starts that way. Yeah, even still, when she gets off the plane and the butler greets her. And she's like, Oh, he didn't show up? Of course, he didn't show up. Yeah.And then the rest of the movie.You don't get an impression that he's a terrible dad.
Cayleigh:I almost think that having the evil stepmom trope made the movie and the dad character worse. I actually think the movie could have been better. Without that whole aspect. I get that it adds a timeline to up the stakes and make sure we need to make this happen ASAP. Yeah. And I guess even maybe in the 90s they could have gotten away with like, no,they just need to fall in love.And third three time's the charm or third time's the charm. Now in times, you couldn't get away with that for sure. But I feel like they could have gotten away with it even in the 90s
Fish:I don't think she necessarily needed to be evil. I think maybe not at that time.But I think that like evil stepmother rolls kind of like pretty outdated. And it's not representative of step moms out there. Right?
Cayleigh:But if she isn't evil than her dad is a total piece of garbage.
Fish:But he could be marrying her for another wrong reason.Like maybe he just wanted to try to quote unquote, you know, have a mom for his, you know, kid to grow up with and maybe he doesn't have strong feelings for and maybe, you know, there could have been other reasons,
Cayleigh:but they need to characterize her as a bad person. So that way we don't villainize him for me personally cheating on her. Yep. And even outright cheating on her with the with the jumping in the lake and they're about to kiss and he's pulling stuff out of her hair and stuff like that. That's like straight up. You can't do that if you're in a relationship. And when he takes the phone call and he's like, my friend it oh, you know, like,that's been real. Lately crossing the line. So like I say, I actually think that the writer probably had it correct,but I understand why a student Yo, unlike high level execs would be like nah, now we need to direct villain that we can all. Yeah, root against at
Jackie:that time. I mean, the evil stepmother was very prominent. Yeah. That it
Nate:was an easy, easy trope.Yeah, yes. And
Jackie:like, I feel like during that time, there were a ton of orphanage storylines. There were a lot of kids that were orphans.
Nate:Angels in the Outfield?
Cayleigh:Oh, yeah. And like, I think around that time was when we got the Annie.
Fish:Little Orphan Annie. Yeah,
Jackie:yeah, just you don't see it as much anymore. But rewatching this movie, made me recall how many times that storyline played out on TV.
Fish:Talking a little bit more about the writer. When I was looking at some things, I guess she actually, I don't know if you mentioned specifically, but she got to hang out with the twins, the Olsen twins, to get to know them. And to she wanted to inject their personality into the script. Okay. That way, you could see the differences on screen that actually applied to actually who they were. And I guess one of the twins,whatever. Whatever one of the twins is riding a horse in the film, she asked Mary Kate,Deborah, so Mary Kate said, if you can put a horse in there,like she was obsessed with horses at that time. So that's why she's on a horse. And Ashley asked for a dog she asked for a dog. And that's why there's there's a dog there.
Cayleigh:Because she was sent like a big stack of like dual star tapes to write this. And she called them up and was like,listen, like, this is not how I want to be, like researching what I need to write, I need to meet them, I need to interact with them. I have a six year old, like, I think they would get along like, can we just do like a play date. And so that's how she did her research for them is sometimes the twins would go over there, or she would bring her daughter over to them. And they would do play dates together. And that's how she like, you know, picked up their vibes.
Nate:That's cool. And I think it comes across in the movie that it's not just a script that was you know, written for anybody, right? You get a lot of their personalities and it just comes across naturally.
Fish:It's probably easier for a younger actor to put themselves into a role that's built for them. That has their interests and stuff in it. It's more fun.It's more engaging interactive.For any actor, but especially younger actor I think. Like a good actor,
Jackie:I guess that's why did they make them do accents?
Fish:What's wrong with the accent?
Cayleigh:I won't lie to you. I haven't seen this movie since I was probably in elementary school. Yeah, I was surprised by how much I did remember? And how much of this movie was like a core memory for me. Nothing on this earth or above? could have ever prepared me for the accents in the first 10 seconds of the movie? Absolutely not. Will I don't it took it took a minute for me to readjust
Fish:you ever be the same?my entire life to caliber to this movie. So Mary Kay is doing the I don't know what borough she's from but the New York accent Yeah. And I did find that a little bit like whoa in some scenes, but she's a little kid whatever. But there are some scenes where she's you can tell she's not quite as laying it on thick but she still has a little a little bit and you get her that like spunky personality and I didn't think it was as obviously there was moments where you're like, okay, but then there was also moments where you see why they had the career that they had. Yep.Ashley's I don't think it was her fault. I don't what direction were they giving her
Jackie:proper
Cayleigh:like if she proper is she British?
Nate:Somewhere in there
Cayleigh:yeah. I don't think that was on national I think that was on whoever was directing her.
Fish:She sounded like the royal accent
Cayleigh:no you're getting this is gonna be we're gonna get the movies mixed up real bad.Similar things are
Fish:many accents.
Cayleigh:So we'll get there but no hers I was like I don't brew what I read is that she is supposed to be going to a boarding school in England so she's supposed to sound like somebody who is American but spend time spends time in England should like wow that is a deep layered scenario.
Nate:They came up with that after that could be How does one get an accident like this? Can we explain them
Fish:fill in the blanks
Cayleigh:working backwards?
Jackie:Yeah, the heard their direction was talk rich, and that's what she came up with. I think Nate thoroughly enjoyed this movie.
Cayleigh:was your first time
Nate:it was my first time so yay.
Fish:First time,
Cayleigh:yeah, well, anyway,well,
Nate:I got a kick out of Kirstie Alley's character just being super down to earth and super personable, like with whether it was the kids or Steve Gutenburg character. It was very disarming to and there were multiple points in the movie that I laughed out loud. Jackie was getting a kick out of me and drawing it when he whacks his head on the horse and falls off.How many fingers am I holding up six, good enough.
Cayleigh:Which it's nice to hear. Also, I guess the writer was so surprised. So most, most screenplay writers are not involved in production. They're,you know, they write their script, it gets sent off, and then that's it. They collect their check and they move on.And that's how it was for her.She had no say in who played the other roles, no say and how they got directed. And I guess when she met Kristie Alley for the first time at the premiere, and then saw the movie, she was just shocked at how much she related to the character because she had written her to relate to herself, but she left a lot of stuff off the page. Okay. And so it was just a happenstance that Kristie was able to get that like down to earth kind of vibe.And she even mentioned the scene where Diana is waiting for, you know him to meet her Oh, 730 at the place that we met. And she's like, waiting and talking yourself out of it. And then she, like, adjusts her boobs and her, you know, shirt and stuff like that, just at that moment.She's like, that's something I would do. And I did not write that in the script. Like, how does she know? So it was cool to see i The opening scene. I was like, oh, boy, Nate and David probably did not watch this as kids and so they are not going to have a good time. But then I was I was going through I myself was surprised because I hadn't seen it since I was a kid. I
Fish:mean, the opening scene.We're not gonna like
Cayleigh:just the accents. Like I say through me. It was my hair. Yeah.
Nate:The New York accent. It's Brooklyn or the Bronx. That's one of the two. It was it was thick. It was a caricature of the accent. Yes. But then again,Kirstie Alley with a get up here where we gotta go. Like, let's let's do it. Yeah, it was just,it was a good movie. It was cute. It. The story holds up. I love the butler and the relationship. Like if you lay a hand on that kid, so help me go.smack you.
Jackie:Well, let's talk. Let's see where we're Kristie Alley goes to rescue. Alyssa from the Butkisses. How disturbing Oh,but because storyline isn't Yeah, that I remembered from childhood. Yes. Being very disturbed. I thought that went on way longer. Same.
Cayleigh:I thought it was so much. I mean, I thought it was terrible. But I thought it was so much worse than agree. Yeah,totally. It was traumatizing his child, but this time
Jackie:watching it. I'm like,Christiana should be like, Yo,cops are on their way. Yeah.Like I want to just some simple line of like, you're going down,buddy, right? Instead, she just grabbed her kid is out of there.The helicopter.
Cayleigh:Exactly. I would have loved a scene. Where and I Okay,obviously. It's an Olsen movie from the mid 90s. So like, this is not high brow writing that I'm injecting into the story.But I think it's sensical writing that I'm injecting to the story. We needed a marriage scene at the end, where all the little orphans have attended the wedding. And they're like, Yay,and they have a dog.
Nate:Yeah, that would have been yeah,
Jackie:there's a dog.
Nate:Really like, cherry on top for the 90s that
Cayleigh:night. It's a 90s kids movie in a marriage scene at the end and all the little orphans going yay. They get married at the camp. Yep. Yeah, that's what needed to happen. Get the Olsen twins on the horn.
Fish:Get their production company ready?
Jackie:Well, they haven't acted since 2007?
Cayleigh:Yeah, no, that was for my understanding 2004 Because it was right after a New York minute. And I remember realizing that that means that it's nearly20 years. That's a whole person.It's been it's been a whole person.
Jackie:But now we have their sister so it's okay.
Cayleigh:It's true. But I also need dual star to make their own streaming service or partner with a current streaming service and put all of their stuff on there. I didn't Well, I mean, I did watch the like the the straight to VHS movies, but I watch their shows a lot.
Fish:Okay. Apparently, although this film wasn't very, like successful in the theater, it's,you know, rentals and be just sales and hearing on TV was like very popular. Yes. Because the the writer even said she was surprised when when she first started getting residual checks and it was they were like huge checks. So yeah, I guess people really liked it. Sort of theater.
Cayleigh:I don't remember watching into the theater,although I probably did. But I do remember watching it at my house on VHS at friend's houses on VHS.
Fish:seems better. And the small screen and the big screen?
Jackie:Yeah, I agree.
Cayleigh:And maybe that's where Olsen were dual star learned its business model of straight to VHS movies.
Jackie:Maybe, guys, whatever happened to predictability? The newsman The Paperboy?
Cayleigh:Listen, this is not the time or place for this. This is a movie podcast. Jackie.
Fish:What's going on?
Cayleigh:tell you to go home.Come on. We're in your basement. You guys don't know this.
Fish:What's happening?
Cayleigh:Full House.
Nate:I was arm's length relationship with full house. I watched. I've watched a handful episodes in my life, but I never really. It wasn't a regular thing when we were kids. Yeah,
Cayleigh:I didn't watch it when I was the right. Like, age for it. But I did. Guilty pleasure.Watch it on Nick at Night. When I was like prom,
Fish:wasn't it on cable?
Cayleigh:No, it was network TV.Yeah.
Nate:ABC has
Cayleigh:to do aFe Yeah, yeah.Yeah, ABC. Boom. Yeah, huge
Jackie:fan of the Olsen twins.And you're right, it was 2004was their last.
Cayleigh:I may or may not have watched way too many tiktoks on the Olsen twins just merely hours before I came to your house.
Fish:To money.
Jackie:I would have but I don't want to mess up my algorithm
Cayleigh:would only help it.No, it's It's sad. I mean, we'll probably talk about it again,too, in our next segment, but like, Should child stars exist?Probably not.
Nate:Yeah, that transition is rough one. Yeah, that's true.
Cayleigh:Thing. Probably the worst of some women stars. And that's probably one of the differentiations of why Sean Astin had it easier to make that transition I women, girls going into women do not have it easy in the industry. And it that does not ring true for anyone more than probably the Olsen twins, they had three separate websites tracking when they would turn 18 years old.
Nate:That's messed up, you know,
Cayleigh:I mean, you can find a compilation of just horrible interviews that they had to go through. There's one particularly awful interview with Oprah, where Oprah is antagonizing Mary Kate, about her dress size? And how much do you weigh? And, you know, are you guys conscious of that? And do you think you're setting a good example and like, just grilling her on her body? And it is disgusting to see. But that was how the media treated teen stars in the 2000s Yeah, and it's any wonder why all those teen stars went through such problems.
Jackie:I mean, there's been so much on that with Britney. Yeah,over the last couple of years.100 very similar interviews.Where? Yeah, the interviewees are just terrible to them.
Cayleigh:Diane Sawyer interview with Britney Spears. losting.Yeah. Disgusting. And that's what makes it sadder is like not to go there. But most of these interviews are from women, and like, gaming using other women,
Nate:and if you flip the script, would you want to be asked those questions? Yeah, no,that's pretty messed up.
Fish:I haven't seen any of these interviews. So I don't know.
Nate:You lived through the age of MTV though.
Fish:Kind of the Neff cable.
Cayleigh:And then you also have Kirstie Alley, who also has been through an interesting journey.
Jackie:Yes.
Nate:How deep are we gonna go down that rabbit hole?
Jackie:Let's start looking at our alphas.
Cayleigh:Yeah, it's don't do yourself a favor. Watch. Cheers.Watch it takes two You maybe Toothless? I don't know. I haven't watched
Jackie:drop dead gorgeous.
Cayleigh:Yes. Yeah. That's enough. You don't need to explore their filmography. Any further.
Jackie:or personal life
Cayleigh:or personal life specifically personal. Yikes on multiple bikes. So the dad looked familiar to me. What's he from? What's his deal? What's
Nate:the story? Steve Gutenberg?
Cayleigh:Yeah, he's doing a lot he making presses still still kind of press Gutenberg
Nate:Gutenberg. I don't know if it's the right, Gutenberg. So Steve Gutenberg has been around for a long time.Short Circuit?
Fish:Yeah.
Nate:I was gonna say
Fish:Three Men and a Baby police.
Nate:Johnny Five is alive. Have you guys ever seen short circuit you have? Yes.
Cayleigh:Would I know?
Nate:I'm looking at Three Men and a Baby police academy.
Fish:Oh, he was in Cocoon.That's how random Yeah.
Jackie:Yeah, I think I know.I'm from Three Men and a Baby.
Fish:Was he in every police academy?
Nate:He was the main guy. Yeah.
Cayleigh:He was police academy.
Nate:He was even cool. And
Fish:I don't think anybody saw that.
Jackie:Was he did he show up in Veronica Mars?
Cayleigh:Yes. That's that's the one Yep.
Nate:Nice. Lee done.
Cayleigh:Yeah, he's the mirror.Yep.
Nate:Oh. Oh,
Fish:what woody Goodman? Yeah,yep. Yeah,
Jackie:sir, faces matter.
Cayleigh:Very bad character.Bad Bad. Very bad. Very bad.
Fish:Episodes.
Nate:Cannot be good characters.
Jackie:And was Krysten Ritter's apparently he was in my
Nate:community to have a guest spot on community. It looks like one episode Maury Maury.
Fish:I think it's just one episode.
Nate:I wish when you were in on IMDb in an actor's profile and click on a show they did it took you to the episode. Yeah,
Cayleigh:that would be ideal.
Jackie:I feel like that used to be a thing where you could click on like a character's name and find every episode.
Nate:He was in shock.Sharknado. Four.
Cayleigh:Do you want an award Razzie
Jackie:the fourth awakens,that's what it's called.
Nate:I've never seen a Sharknado let alone the fourth Sharknado.
Fish:I've seen bits and pieces but I kind of wish I saw the first one. Like when it came out. It was kind of all the rage.
Cayleigh:It does seem like the kind of thing David like, he does love bad movies
Fish:now, and great movies.
Nate:Great. I was short circuit with Steve Gutenberg so many times when I was a kid, my brother and I did. There's a lot of problematic things with that movie, too. I think now, through today's I don't recall.
Jackie:It was back to the movie. Yes.How irritating is it that they never question why they look identical.
Cayleigh:Yeah.
Fish:They have different haircuts. Right?
Nate:I feel like they don't question it intentionally because you automatically go in a different direction. It takes the movie, there's no answer.There's no answer that makes it okay. For again, the father figure,
Cayleigh:right. I'll go into it more when we compare my feelings on more specifics. But the only thing that I'm going to say now is I don't know much about the Prince and the Pauper. But I thought part of that was that they look so similar that they could trade places. It was okay.Well, that's what this is technically based off. Yeah. So it is interesting because I don't think you could cast to people. Like I don't think you could cast like Zoey de Chanel and Katy Perry. And have them switch places and be believable because even though they look spooky, like similar, they're,they're not identical. You're gonna know your mother's gonna look into your face and be like,You're a different person.
Jackie:Technically, the Olsen twins aren't identical. That's true.
Nate:which blew my mind. I looked it up. I was like, what?
Cayleigh:I don't quite understand all of the science behind twins and like, fraternal turtle.
Nate:Yeah, be there. And there's a bunch of different types. You could be
Cayleigh:like, I there was one.We just met twin or?
Jackie:We did yeah, it was
Cayleigh:like I'm fraternal on my paternal and McDON Cerner llamando. dirt
Fish:on Yeah. Oh, two sperm one or something?
Cayleigh:I don't know. Well,that would be that would be fraternal. No, no, no
Jackie:two eggs. This is what I'm saying. I
Cayleigh:don't know how it works is
Nate:fraternal, identical is one in one and it splits. Yes.The exploits Yeah, you can have
Fish:one Yeah.
Jackie:Yeah. You could also have like crazy triplets scenario where like one egg splits and then there's still a second egg.
Cayleigh:I did go to school with a set of triplets where two of them were identical
Jackie:that how're on identify was
Cayleigh:that one is the lucky one she gets to be your own person, but then it doesn't just get to be you know
Fish:you can get into fun shenanigans
Nate:I mean it's I can see it going
Cayleigh:either way. Yes, I really value my independence in the idea of having someone who looked exactly like me that I was constantly being lumped with and that I like was like a little too close. I've also met twins that hate each other and do not get along and do not like each other I went to school with a set of twins that like had a really terrible relationship and it was like a well known thing like that's what they don't talk so I know a lot of twins
Jackie:all the twins I England growing up or like thick as thieves Yeah,
Cayleigh:no, I know those two as well. But I feel like if I was a twin I would be one of the ones that did not get along with their twin because I really my independence too deeply. I don't even like when someone orders the same thing as me at a restaurant.
Nate:Jackie doesn't either
Jackie:Christine and I do it all the time. Okay, of Christine does become a thing. I'll have what she's having.
Nate:And if I want something in your life, but that's what I wanted, then I can order it changes my you know, experience.Oh,
Fish:just get it.
Nate:Yeah. Next time I'm gonna be my own person. I'm just order what I want.
Cayleigh:Yeah, just get what you want. David did how
Nate:to change your work that
Cayleigh:David did help me get over the not wanting the same thing. Because he'll do he'll be he'll be like, and I will have exactly the same thing. I don't like whatever, it's fine.
Fish:I'm wondering how many how the percentage of twins how much has gone up since like fertility treatments have become more popular? Because
Cayleigh:pretty sure. Same with like the fact that people are waiting longer to have kids.You're more likely to have twins. Yeah. Not even without fertility. Twins and ever. Your stuff is popping out more eggs.
Jackie:So many duplicates everywhere shooting around town that like there's some town where the majority of people are twins. No. I remember reading it years ago. It's real spooky.Yeah. Like they have the most instances.
Nate:Like it's not a thing.
Jackie:No, it is
Nate:creeped out fish.
Jackie:You don't want to go travel there?
Fish:No, I'll pass. Why are they all there?
Jackie:The Ivory Coast registered a rate of 24.9 twins for every 1000 deliveries? Well,
Fish:not quite the majority.
Jackie:That's the country. But I swear there was a city
Cayleigh:trying to find something there was a movie with Justin Timberlake that had a very similar not not similar with the rom com aspect. I believe it was called model behavior. But I'm trying to remember if it was one actress playing the same person, or if it was two actresses that looked spooky enough together. I got enough fever dream. It was a movie where there was one chick and she was like an art student or not our student she was like a senior in high school and really into art. And she wanted to be a fashion designer. And then there was a model who was like a supermodel and then they go to the same restaurant and then in the bathroom. They realize that they look alike,because they both reach for the soap. And then except one wears glasses and the other one doesn't. I'll let you decide who's who. And then they like decide they're gonna switch lives.
Nate:Because the same very much same story. Yeah, exactly. Only
Cayleigh:there's not like any like trying to get parents together. It's just that I think that the model doesn't like Justin Timberlake. He plays like a famous person. Classic. And then she's like, fuck this guy.I don't like him. And the lady likes him. Yep.
Nate:But that's that's more the prince and the pauper story,because there's no parents getting together in that either.They need to change lives
Jackie:called model behavior.
Cayleigh:Yeah, why is IMDb What the fuck?
Fish:Because he's not in the movie.
Cayleigh:Is it a different?
Jackie:It's a was it a Disney Channel movie?
Cayleigh:No. So it was that weird situation where everybody thinks it's a Disney Channel movie similar to wish upon a star. And it's actually a like Wonderful World of Disney movie where it's made for TV and aired on ABC on a Friday night on TGIF. But it's not Disney Channel movie and that's why you can't stream it on Disney plus.
Jackie:Oh, Kathy Lee Gifford was on it.
Cayleigh:That name sounds familiar, but I can't put a face to
Jackie:it. Yes, that's not who I thought it was. But it's but now I know who it is. She's from that talk show right? Regis and Kathie Lee.
Cayleigh:Okay, yeah. Who's the man and it's no if it's not Justin Timberlake.
Jackie:That is Justin Timberlake. I found it on Wikipedia.
Nate:Found a hole in IMDb took long enough
Cayleigh:What the fuck? But is it the same actress playing two people?
Jackie:It looks like it's people, Maggie. Maggie Lawson.
Cayleigh:Okay, but that one I think they also did a better job of making her look different in both roles. So that way you're like, oh, wow, it's like a Katy Perry. Zoey Deschanel saying not like, You're the same fucking person. This isn't physically possible. I feel like they they modified her enough and had you know, the glasses always help.And I kind of wonder, yes, the Olsen twins aren't identical.But if we're trying to lean away from them actually being twins and it just being a weird coincidence that they're doppelgangers. Why not make them look a little more just different enough for you to buy that you have to change clothes and act different to really sell that was
Jackie:the funny thing is they didn't even have to change clothes. Right? Both wearing the same? Exactly.
Nate:Yeah, I in when you said that. While we were watching. I was like they are but then when you look one of them's wearing like overalls with pants. Now there's overalls was like slightly down. Yeah, it's slightly. But when you're I think the reason they didn't do that is because they were kids.They were so young, right? I think if you had same movie, but like they're in their teens, or they're in their 20s or whatever. And let's say they were identical. Then you I think you could switch it up more and play with looks and stuff like that. Yeah, you're waiting the whole movie. I was waiting the whole movie for an explanation,right? Didn't get one. And that's the only complaint I had about the movie. I even am fine with the accents.
Cayleigh:I mean, they grow on you. Yeah. I also want to point out that everything that I know about camp, I actually is from these two movies and me until we were watching these movies and like I'll get into the stuff that Parent Trap was responsible for. But like in episode when we're fighting about if Boy Scouts is camp and stuff like that, and I'm like, did you guys do skits? Because this movie did skits. Yes. And that's all I know about campus. This movie.
Nate:We played pranks, though.And these were my kind of prank.Okay.
Fish:And one of the films The Summer Camp lasts quite a while.Yeah, we'll
Cayleigh:get to it. David will catch you. Your worst to use
Fish:tool. Foreshadowing, guys,did you know that? The writer Davis. She actually went to a center for orphan children in LA. And while she was there, she was kind of doing some research.While she was writing the film,little girl came up to her and said, Oh, they don't come here to get people my age to come for babies. So she added that direct line in the film. And she she said, you know, edit whatever you want. But this line has to stay in the film, you know, or I'll kill you. Like,
Cayleigh:I literally did say or I'll kill you.
Jackie:Yes. So wait, really?Yes.
Cayleigh:Change Anything else,but that line has to stay or I'll kill you.
Jackie:Say I mean, they did have a lot of death threats.Maybe two?
Nate:Was it this one
Jackie:was this one was Kristie Alley. There'll be bloodshed.Right. Wasn't she saying the game would end with bloodshed or something?
Nate:Yeah, it seemed to be like in the 90s it like kill you was thrown around a lot more than it is now. I think people take it seriously now.
Cayleigh:You gotta be. Yeah. I first it's interesting. I guess this movie was much more influential than I ever gave it credit for. There's not many movies that I can go to decades,two and a half decades without seeing. And remember, even like very small details. In lines,yeah, lines, like just little weird things that stick in, you know, stick in your brain. And it was like, as the movie. As I was watching it. I was like, Oh my gosh, like I totally still remember that. Or I still think about that and didn't realize it was from this or like, whatever.So it's just interesting. I must have seen it. I like just the right time for it to be like that formative.
Jackie:I had that with Parent Trap. Oh yeah. Mate was Am I saying, Oh, this is gonna happen? Yeah. I was shocked how much I remember. Yeah,
Fish:she just spoiled the whole movie for you.
Nate:And then the Jackie called the during the movie, but the evil stepmother was Carol from Friends. And it took me and I was like, Yes. I was like, oh,yeah, it is. And yeah, played a really good evil stepmother.Yeah.
Cayleigh:Yeah, the writer did say that, although she did not write in an evil stepmother character. And that was never her intention that she was okay with it because of how it was portrayed, and that she felt like the actress was perfect for the role. Not in a mean way. But she definitely made it like a comical sort of absurd thing that
Jackie:she was entertaining.Yeah. clarities Kensington.
Cayleigh:And I'm pretty sure I saw this movie before I ever saw friends. And so I always remember some of her more iconic costumes from this movie.Anytime I'm watching friends.I'm like, projecting that?
Fish:I think the school kind of sums up the movie. The legacy of the film, is the empowerment of little girls. That's what the writer thinks at least. Yeah.They took things into their own hands. And they they made it happen.
Cayleigh:Yes, it does. But again, you know, God forbid anything exist that is made for little girls about little girls.And there isn't anything in it that's like, that I can directly point to anything that
Jackie:that warrants that kind of,
Cayleigh:well, anything that would have aged poorly, or would have been projecting some kind of like, I don't I don't know the word I'm thinking of. I'll get into it more probably in the comparison where I can freely talk about Parent Trap things.There's like, it's just a nice,sweet movie, the girls get to have their own personalities,their own interests, you know,there's not any sort of like internalized misogyny going on.There isn't any kind of writing that makes me it's not surprising that it was written by a woman I guess, who had a six year old at the time. I think it age well. So yeah, I'll leave it at that.
Fish:Callaway in the film that was camp, Minnie yogi, and that's in Muskoka, Ontario.That's where some family live.And we've been there. Awesome. I thought it was a I thought it was a fun movie. I don't think I would have liked it as much. I don't think I would have liked it that much. If I watched it as a youth, I don't think youth because
Cayleigh:it's about girl us,too, for
Fish:two youths.It just made me there. But just because I don't think it would have drawn my interest or I would have, I wouldn't have found it to be as fun or as interesting or whatever. That
Cayleigh:stickball scene you don't think that? Would? I guarantee you that that movie is why we would steal the stick out of the sliding glass door to play ball with
Fish:no it was a good scene.
Cayleigh:I guarantee you.
Fish:She crushed it. And fight.More fun than a food.
Jackie:That was another great common thing of that time. Yeah,food fight.
Nate:You have to yell it like that.
Fish:I wish I was in a food fight and ever been in one fight? No, but not the movie was pretty fun. Overall. It was it was a pretty light hearted. It was a fun time.
Jackie:Great was fun movie. I didn't remember as much as I thought I would have. I know I watched it forever ago, probably when it came out or maybe a few years after that. But that's cute. OlsenTwins are still super cute. Little
Fish:quick question. How come?If you say it in the order of Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen sounds so much better than Ashley and Mary Kate Olsen. That doesn't sound nearly as good.
Jackie:Yeah, you think they would have gone alphabetical?
Cayleigh:I'm sure there's some kind of like linguistical reason why that sounds nicer to our ears.
Fish:Oh, you linguists out there, shoot us an email. And if you can explain that to us.
Nate:Maybe come down appreciate us do two than one. So one of them to you. I
Cayleigh:have watched some interesting videos about how linguists can kind of suss out like a non native speaker even if they have like a really good accent or something like that.Or like aI instead of a natural you know, speech and it's like,how you order words in a list is like I wish I I'm sure it's on tick tock so I'll never know how to find it or see it again. But it was kind of talking about like, like heart sounds versus soft sounds and syllables and stuff like
Nate:that. do naturally
Cayleigh:yeah that we naturally will order things a certain way.And it depends on the language to about what sounds are gonna be more important, like ketchup
Nate:and mustard. So none of us here but he says mustard and ketchup your face.
Fish:None of us here are robots then because we all agree that Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen sounds great.Okay, good. All right. It's all right guys.
Jackie:convinced me.
Fish:They'll never know.
Nate:So this is Nate. I really enjoyed the movie. I'm kind of with you fish. I don't think so.I'd never seen it before. I don't think I would have enjoyed as a kid. Probably because of,you know, I was a boy. And, you know, it wasn't cool to watch,you know, an Olsen twin movie.It was really cute. It was well cast. Steve Gutenberg was great.Kirstie Alley was great in it.the Olsen twins were fantastic.I really liked the butler and the food fight scene. Like Steve Gutenberg getting mac and cheese dumped on his head. Pretty good sport. It is. Yeah.
Jackie:And when she pulls the little chef hat over her Yeah.
Cayleigh:Again, that was when it was happening. I was like,This is so weird. This is taking me back to the first time I've ever seen this. But anyway, Nate without review, I think that you're the only white man allowed to do movie reviews. Get you a website? We should set you up.
Jackie:You're gonna be on Rotten Tomatoes. Yeah,
Cayleigh:you're gonna be
Nate:we'll call it unRotten Tomatoes, this element tasty tomatoes
Cayleigh:reviewer? Because like I say, there's a reason it has an 8% on Rotten Tomatoes. And it's because of misogyny. There wasn't anything for and again,I'll talk about my opinions in the next segment on that, but there was nothing for them to go ah, women.
Fish:Silly little girls treated women
Cayleigh:as people and little girls as people. God forbid
Jackie:be crazy cats. No take effort.
Cayleigh:So anywho we're gonna take a quick break. And when we come back, we will be talking about Parent Trap Lohanversion,but I'm sure the original is going to come up because I may have watched that one this week.Also to give myself a refresh to Yeah, I got a lot of feelings and we're back just in time to talk about the Parent Trap.Throw it over to a plot.California Hallie and British Annie are shocked when they run into each other at summer camp because they look identical.Things get stranger when they discover they have the same birthday love of Oreos and peanut butter and divorced parents. They realized that their parents are the same people and decide to switch places to find out what happened. Hallie heads to London to meet her mother Elizabeth and Annie heads to California to meet her father Nick. Hallie is caught when her grandfather overhears her talking on the phone. She tells her mother who she really is in the to head to California to reunite with Annie We shouldn't do some fishy facts. And they'll be like facts and her father. Annie,meanwhile, has discovered that their father is going to get remarried to a mean gold digging publicist. she convinces the couple to celebrate in a nearby hotel for Hallie in their mother will meet them. Nick and Elizabeth run into each other and ultimately decide the girls need to switch back. The girls don't like the solution and refuse to reveal which is which until they can go camping as a family. The fiance doesn't like the idea of Nick camping with his ex, so Elizabeth convinces her to go instead. On the camping trip, Hallie and Annie play pranks on the fiance until she throws a tantrum and breaks off the engagement. Still, when they return home, Elizabeth can't bring herself to try again with neck. Elizabeth and Annie returned to London where they are surprised by Nick and Hallie, who no longer want to that like that doesn't sound right. It's not live without them.
Fish:tracking fishy.
Jackie:Smell to that fact leave.
Fish:A little right. The Parent Trap released on July 29 1998,and with a budget of around 15million, went on to make over 92million, directed by Nancy Meyers Screenplay by David Swift, Nancy Meyers and Charles Shire, based on the German novel Lottie and Lisa or Lisa and Lottie by Eric Casta Kassner Eric, Eric or Eric er ich Eric great that'd be Eric by Eric Kasner and starring Lindsay Lohan, Dennis Quaid, Natasha Richardson and Lindsay Lohan. T
Jackie:here were to
Fish:see what I did there. It's funny,
Jackie:I'm sure we all saw that it could have been ScarJo.
Cayleigh:And Jenna Malone turned down this role three times.
Jackie:I don't know who that is. I even looked her up. I'm not very familiar with her.
Cayleigh:I just know her because I really liked the movie saved.
Fish:And Buffy sister Dawn auditioned for Dawn Dawn dawn.
Jackie:She was too busy being a spy. A spy?
Fish:We were no spoilers. I don't know. She's a spy
Jackie:named Harriet.
Fish:The spy?
Jackie:Yes,she was. And that's the movie where I sat on a milk dud. Oh.
Nate:throwbacks come full circle from the headache.
Fish:traumatic times.
Nate:So I don't think I've seen this version of the Parent Trap before.
Cayleigh:Oh, wow.
Fish:But you didn't see the original.
Nate:I've seen the original.
Fish:I didn't see either.
Cayleigh:Oh, wow.
Fish:You didn't know.
Cayleigh:I didn't know. I just assumed you would have seen the original because it was on TV a lot when I was growing up which is mostly
Jackie:loved the original.
Cayleigh:I feel like it was maybe Turner Classic. Older me because I want you to watch
Jackie:Yeah, AMC. Like I remember watching it constantly.And I had a loyalty to it when this movie came out when the Lindsay Lohan one like it's never gonna be as good as the original.
Cayleigh:I so I like I say I did watch the original. Growing up. It wasn't like oh my god,The Parent Trap is on I have to watch it. It was more of like,let's throw this on. It's a Sunday, we're kind of doing our thing. Yeah, it's something that my parents liked. And I liked that we could all enjoy. I was expecting when I rewatched the original. And I figure since this isn't about the original versus the low hand one we can talk about that in this section.I was expecting it to be like a,like a sound of music are yours Mine and Ours are like, like other movies from that era where it's going to age fine because it's super wholesome. And it's Disney. I was surprised at how poorly it aged. And it did make me sort of appreciate the lohan version. More not just because I was the right age for the lohan version. But like, there's a lot of like, more than just simply Oh, it's the product of its time because again, there's a lot of other movies from that era. That aged fine. They might have a scene or two that you're like oh boy. But like the dad is quite misogynistic. Straight up says you're being awfully feminine and the worst part of being feminine because she's like upset. Yeah. The mom,
Jackie:the moms a lot in this movie. She also
Cayleigh:commits domestic violence. Yeah. laughing about it. Yes. Yeah, she definitely has a black eye for half of the movie and at the end is like you can hit me whenever you want.
Nate:Yep. Like no, that's not right.
Cayleigh:The grandfathers again is these aren't just throwaway lines. These are like main jokes in the movie that you're supposed to like be like, Oh my God, that's fucking hilarious.The grandpa spends like five minutes picking apart how old and Doughty? The mother looks?Yes. Before she goes. Yeah,
Jackie:yes, I was cringing at that part. We were talking about that.
Fish:She doesn't even
Jackie:and then He winks on his way out.
Cayleigh:I don't want the parents to end up together because I like the very much happier household with domestic violence.
Jackie:And she's yelling,she's egging it on the whole time to where she's like, I like the Natasha Richardson version much more. And you're actually rooting for her because this mom is sitting there like, Oh, I'm going to try and cause problem for you. Yeah, this is fun.
Cayleigh:Yes, we we both. So I think the interesting dichotomy and again, I think I have to imagine it was a conscious choice to quote unquote, fix was in the original. We completely understand why these two people are divorced and never wanted to see each other again. Yep. In the remake. We don't quite understand why it was so bad that they couldn't ever bear to look at each other again, but I think it's Oh, I think they realized it's better for them to suspend belief about the problems than about them the love story and us wanting to see them together and be up for them. And I think that worked better.
Jackie:I agree. The one difference that I prefer in the original though, is there's more outrage from the girls about what happened.
Cayleigh:Yeah, and I agree to,to a point. And I again, I have to wonder if this was a conscious choice. I do find lohans portrayal of the twins.more likeable, but I think it's because they chose to make her a preteen instead of a teenager.Yeah. So we don't get as much angst and we believe, like, I don't believe that. Susan is friends with her dad. I don't buy that. They're buddies. I buy that Hallie and Nick are best friends and ride horses together. Yeah, it's
Jackie:not even angst so much as it just I want them to have that moment like the lohan version, right to have that moment of this is really fucked up that you guys did this. We're twins, you split us up, never told us that just just one acknowledgement of it, at some point would have been been good.
Cayleigh:Although I wonder if one acknowledgement that wasn't the proper level of outrage would have made it more. As the audience you're now aware that in 86, this arrangement isn't going to happen. Yeah. Like they're like, in the 60s. Yeah,
Jackie:yeah. Yeah,
Cayleigh:there's absolutely a judge who's gonna be fine with that. In fact, you can find a lot of judgments that did happen that split up mostly siblings,but twins as well. The one caveat to that is that it's usually a boy, girl, sibling,boy, girl, twin. And the boy goes to live with dad and the girl goes to live with mom.Yeah. So when I was researching,and finding that Oh, funny, you know, the court case that might have inspired the Parent Trap,which it's not, it's all based on a German novel, but you get these listicles of real court cases. And I couldn't find a single one where it was two girls being split up. Yeah, but anywho it did happen back in the day, it would not have happened in the ad. So I wonder if it's very much like, don't look at the man behind the curtain.Yeah, yeah. He had a predicament. Yeah. Because if they hadn't had them go out. I agree in real life. You would not talk to your parent, you would be fucking outraged. You would be but like, that kind of harsh, says the fuzzy vibes.Movie offers you? Yeah,
Jackie:completely. But you see it even. So you see, everyone react to finding out the girls are who they are before the parents even know. Yeah. And you see them tearing up. And it well, I read that CHESSIE took like 73 takes to even get that.But hers was very emotional. And that's again, it just I wanted some sort of acknowledgement.All these people around them knew. Right. So range arrangement, right? It's so screwed up. But I think you're right that it is it wouldn't have had as much of that heartfelt.
Nate:I think it would have taken away from the Yeah,
Cayleigh:the fudge again, I think there's a good movie to be written. I think the Hayley Mills version lead gives you the proper level of emotion. But then it makes you wonder, like,why do these girls want their parents back together with a Super Bowl, and they're pissed at them. And they see that they make bad choices together. And like, obviously, the sisters want to be together, but their parents don't have to be together food, right? So it's like, a sale snowball. So there is a movie that could be based on the German novel, it is neither of us. That could be
Jackie:and you're right, that the parents not only are the parents and the original terrible together, they're not great parents to either the kids, like you see even the example with the mom, where the girls there and says, Well, I just got home Can't we spend time together she has to trick her mom and spending time with her. I like in the lohan version, that her mom is upset when she gets called into work and then brings her with her yeah,
Cayleigh:just like you know,you want to I'm so sorry that you have to come into work with me. Would you mind terribly?What also I think drives home how much again why we didn't get proper emotional reaction, but again, maybe for the better because they were really trying to sell us that these girls love their parents. Is that Natasha Richardson? She did pass away I think in 2009 Yeah. She had a skiing accident. But her children watched The Parent Trap when they want to remember her mom because they said that the way that she is in that movie is how she was as a mother in real life.
Jackie:That's sad.
Cayleigh:It's sad but it's heartwarming. Yeah, like it's it's it's it's so nice to see because she was a you know, she did play such a nice maternal Yeah, loving mother. And so it's nice to see that she was like that in real life as well. Yeah.
Fish:Speaking about this movie in the 1961 version, did you guys know that? One of the writers, David swift wrote and directed the 1961 version? Yes,he was one of the writers on the19 idea version,
Cayleigh:he wasn't a writer as so much that he was like in the room or making edits to the script. So much of the original movie was taken verbatim that they gave the writers credit from a writing credit.
Fish:He wasn't there at all.No, not even for one minute.
Cayleigh:Maybe Maybe, I don't know. I just know that. I specifically read that. So 1998remake was taken verbatim from the 1961 that they decide that's interesting writing.
Nate:And there were there were specific lines that were verbatim. There were specific scenes that were, you know,taken straight from like it camp when the wind blows through the window. And when I was the pictures all over and stuff,
Jackie:I was driving you nuts.I think we were watching the lohan. I'm
Nate:like, this is coming up.This is from the original. I remember this land.
Jackie:Joanna Barnes was from the original to
Cayleigh:Aunt Vicki. Yeah.
Jackie:So she played the fiancee and the original. I recognize I had to look her up.I'm like, I'm sure she's from the original one positive. But she passed away this year in April.
Cayleigh:Yes. And even in the cabin, you can see in the isolation cabin, it says, Vicki loves Nikki and that's a reference to her being in the movie you and approving of the you know, the match.
Fish:The isolation cabin seems a little much for punishment.Yeah. That's like
Nate:solitary confinement.
Cayleigh:I feel like the original did have a line that they did not keep that at least I don't remember the Lohan version that I actually liked.The counselor goes, either you two will figure out how to get along, or you'll punish each other more than I ever could.Yeah. And I thought that that was a very succinct, imperfect explanation for why on earth they would choose to do that.Yeah. But that wasn't in the film. It was in the original was in the 61 wasn't in the little hand. The other thing I want to bring up so there's an interesting movement online. In defensive Meredith Blake
Fish:was the the evil Kendricks fiancee,
Cayleigh:I will say what was interesting is in the original,the age gap between her character with the you know,the, the fiance and the mom seem negligible. Yeah. Hayley Mills,his character being like, Oh,you're going to adopt her? And I, you know, I've always wanted to sister seemed super bizarre.That movie because she seems about the same age as her mom.Yeah. And I don't know if that was them. Casting the mom too young and then making all these old jokes at her expense to try and sell it or whatever. But in the low hand one, it seemed fair, it was a gap. Yeah, there was a gap. But in defense of Meredith Blake, I'm curious about this. Dennis Quaid,especially Parent Trap. Dennis Quaid is a baby. He's a hottie with his little shirt and his little hat.
Fish:With a little smile. He keeps doing his I got this like London's great.
Cayleigh:Yeah,
Fish:get off the smile.
Cayleigh:Sure, for sure. He's got that too. Um, she has a job.She's like a you know, like a PR person. It looks like she comes from money. She's got her own family money. You she's 26 Which we don't know how old Dennis Quaid character is. So I would need some verification. He only has a 10 year old daughter. Now therefore, are 14. Yeah, no, no,there was one.
Jackie:Yeah, that one there gonna be 1312 12 Yeah. Gonna be12 on October
Cayleigh:11. Yes.
Nate:My guess was 40s.
Cayleigh:I mean, but they say that they got married so young.That's what they keep implying.We were so young Nikki. We were so young.
Nate:And look, mid 30s.
Cayleigh:Right. Right. But it's also the 90s where I feel like that age portrayal was all over the place. Yes. But anywho herbing 26. To me, isn't that like when I if I hear a 26 year old is dating somebody? You know, and there's an age gap.I'm not as outraged just when it's like a child. When it's like, like, if she was 22 and sniff and after their dad. I would have much more problem with it. I'm not saying she wasn't Problem. Obviously she has a problem. But the other thing is she matches Halley's energy. She doesn't bring the energy she matches it. We get this the that she's on the phone call and obviously Oh, she's a villain because she's gonna lie about her dad and where he is with this donation thing. We don't have context. We don't know if her dad actually likes to do those things or not if she was helping them or not. And then she's all like, oh, you know, tell me about school or tell me about your camp and like, is nice to her at the beginning and again, she's probably faking. She's probably a fake ass bitch. But she doesn't start being mean to Hallie until Hallie is being mean to her.
Jackie:But I would argue that she should be old enough. Yes,to not sink down to a one on your level.
Cayleigh:100% I'm just saying that it's interesting that as a child, I always perceived her as being 100% certifiable, there's no way she's 100% only in it for the dad's money. There's no way she's and they could have made her without any of that they could have made her younger, and I kind of think they should have they were gonna sell us that it's a you know, that she's straight up. They could have made her straight up more or they should have made it her dad less attractive. I by her being attracted to him. Yeah,
Jackie:yeah, I guess I mean, we still get the Oh, she said she's had Yeah, she's she's gonna send them off to Switzerland
Nate:makes it fits more like there would be an attraction there and that they're together more than it did in the original it seemed more
Cayleigh:and maybe maybe what is hot has changed, but like the original dad,
Nate:like a big John Wayne vibes.
Cayleigh:I totally Google came here just to triple check. I was like, it's not it's for sure.Not there's no way but I have to double check because the
Nate:writing style was very similar. Yeah, I kept saying and
Jackie:I don't I don't know shit about John Wayne Drake is like, yeah,
Nate:he was like Rooster Cogburn.
Cayleigh:I'm just saying I buy both movies. I think that they if we're gonna go the old gold diggin age and appropriate relationship, both of them needed to age down. The step mom and I say that was a stomach ache. Like I don't like that trope. I don't want that trope out there. But if you're gonna do the trope do the fucking trope.
Nate:I think it was better in the low hand version but it could have been more extreme
Cayleigh:Yeah. Like you got to really sell me on that she's literally couldn't she couldn't give a fuck about that man. That man could be showing me that she's having an extra not extramarital But show me that she has a side piece yeah event to really drive home that she was not interested. Yeah,
Nate:I think they have are making like an off beat common to her parents like when they're walking into the hotel. Right but that's about that in the phone call you get right you overhear a little bit of that's pretty much all you get other than matching the energy of
Cayleigh:Yeah,
Jackie:well, I would have been Annie as Hallie
Cayleigh:Annie as Holly but so all
Jackie:the pranks they did to her the mattress seen
Cayleigh:that? Yeah,
Nate:that's my jam.
Jackie:No, that is terrifying.So dangerous. Very dangerous.Yeah,
Nate:take it out and put it on a on a raft so
Jackie:dangerous.
Nate:We go ahead.
Fish:I think they just use the bullet mattress as the raft. I think they took that from some other movie because when I sat down I saw that I was like, I'm getting vibes from some other movie that this happens in?Yeah, yeah, someone else definitely uses what happened in a few movies.
Nate:We pulled pranks like that at Scout camp. We never send anyone out into the lake, on on a bed, but we would take people like it was a platform tent. So it was basically on a pallet and they had cots. And we could pick up the cots. And just you'd have a couple people on each side and get a sound sleeper and just walk them out to the middle of the parade field, set the cat down and walk away. So they're doing Reveley in the morning and raising the flags and you wake up and you're in the middle of the parade field with everybody lined up.
Jackie:Just happened to you know, we
Nate:did this other kids know,fortunately, it didn't happen to me. I had other pranks pulled on me.
Cayleigh:The water balloon prank where the giant water balloon falls on Hallie. You're not Haley Annie's had, she had to have a needle to ensure that it popped before it hit her head because there was like a huge risk of her getting a neck injury because of how heavy the balloon was when it might not pop.
Fish:Yeah, they just wanted to make sure it would pop. I don't take care About her neck doesn't what
Cayleigh:I read was that it was very heavy and that because you're talking is full of water it's a large gas balloon full of water water is heavy and it's falling from a high shelf onto your head of childhood we sting a little bit so that her and her stunt double had
Nate:dirt on it.
Cayleigh:Have a needle
Nate:that's intense. Even just like here hold still like take this needle
Cayleigh:and that are the Zoom shot of her stepping on the molasses had to be filmed like10 or 15 times because it wouldn't squish right between her toes. Very quintet
Nate:counselors, the counselor sliding across the entire cabin,
Cayleigh:which we get another friends along
Jackie:I was gonna bring it the comparison Jan. Oh,my God.
Nate:Without paying without the accent. Yeah.
Jackie:Yeah, not quite as defined.
Nate:I did like the I did like that prank though with the molasses. I mean, they basically tarred and feathered.
Cayleigh:Which I hadn't put that together until David mentioned that. I was like, wow,that's like some high brow pranking for these preteens to tar and feather Britt. Yeah.They weren't historical there.Yep.
Fish:Yes. For the actors,actors, actresses. They have done a golf car to take into the showers after that scene and like the chocolate hardened on the way. So like when they moved it was like crunch and they had to just like shatter all this hardened chocolate. They were like Easter treat a shell of chocolate surrounded.
Jackie:Well, we're on our fact list. The word actually was used23 times. You're in the movie.Nate, do you recall a coworker we had? That used actually?Multiple times a day.
Nate:I've got one in mind.Yeah. We have coworker.
Jackie:But it became actually,we should do it this way.Actually, all the time. All day.
Fish:I'm already annoyed.
Jackie:Actually, I'm pretty annoyed.
Fish:Did anybody tell her? Wow.
Jackie:I wonder I supposed to go into a little bit of a tangent. supposed to go to some bar with her in Chicago. And yeah, she had never seen Goonies. That's what it was. And she's my age. And I can't believe you nursing Goonies. You gotta watch Goonies. And she's like, Okay, well, we'll, when we're heading to this bar, I'll watch it in the car. Like, how far away do you think this bar is?
Fish:Actually it's really fun.Like, how
Nate:long is it?
Cayleigh:Like, actually this traffic Jackie? Right?
Jackie:So actually, you want me to drive and you're gonna sit there and watch part of a movie?Yes, very. No, we didn't end up going.
Cayleigh:American Airlines may not have been flight movie,
Nate:actually. Yes. Could you be quiet so I can watch the movie. Stop talking. You're ruining it.
Fish:We're gonna play the sound through the car speakers so I can hear it better.
Jackie:I never hung out with her outside of work, but kind of determined that for me.
Fish:That's why I originally
Jackie:said she had a crush on nate.
Fish:No, actually.
Nate:Actually he.
Fish:Guys, how about Oreos versus Fig Newtons?
Nate:Oreos
Cayleigh:at two Nabisco snacks,price fight all day every
Jackie:well,one has parasitic wasps and one.
Fish:Yeah, like gives it an extra crunch from your dog.
Cayleigh:Immediately, like I like
Nate:Fig Newtons and I have a soft spot for them from my childhood. My grandparents used to eat them. So I was like, oh,you know, it was a special treat. Because my parents never had Fig Newtons. I never died like okay, that's the only place I get them. But yeah, Oreos are way better.
Fish:Have you had any of the other brands of fig newtons besides the main brand, however,in
Cayleigh:any other brand,
Fish:because there's some other brands that make it better?Because I think runes are a little dry. You know,
Nate:like the casing.
Fish:Whatever surrounds it is a little dry.
Cayleigh:We've talked about this before. Newton like Fig Newton makes a mixed berry one.That it's it's that company, but the feeling is better. And the surround is like soft and moist.
Nate:Are they all Nabisco?Yeah,
Fish:but there's a couple other brands that do it nice.
Jackie:Would they be
Nate:ignored everything Kaylee said? No.
Fish:Mix berry whatever I like to traditional however, I go with the traditional thing if I'm going with anything,blueberry, strawberry, you can get anything.
Cayleigh:You know what I'm gonna do do I'm gonna buy the mixed berry Newtons I'll try is gonna eat all of them. I'll
Fish:try one.
Cayleigh:I won't even have to mix the man. I'm just saying like as a defiant of him. Ooh,forget about that. He'll eat all of them. I'll have two
Jackie:sounds familiar
Nate:wants some Fig Newtons now. Wow. Never less less now that I know about the wasp.
Cayleigh:Yeah, it's a no for me.
Jackie:Is there a real fig in Fig Newtons? I wouldn't be surprised if it was like artificial.
Cayleigh:The only reason I can argue that I believe there is only very old school. Yeah,
Fish:it's got that like, you know, that crunchy seedy, that essence that figs have crunchy seeds. That's in the
Cayleigh:theater. Is that a wide legs?
Fish:Yeah. It's hardcore. So this was pretty much Lindsay Lohan's kind of breakthrough role to write. Yeah. Which helped lead her on to things like, you know, Freaky Friday and Mean Girls and other things like that. But I thought she did pretty well. And
Nate:yeah, I thought so too. I thought she was really good. I really liked the cast. And this one to Dennis Quaid, Natasha.Richardson was great. To Butler,Dan and Jesse. Were both fantastic. And Jesse. Yeah. And I got huge Emma Thompson vibes from Natasha Richards. Oh, I
Cayleigh:can totally see that.I can see that.
Nate:And I looked up her IMDb profile and stuff. And there are other pictures where she doesn't look as as much like Emma Thompson, but in this movie. I was like, it's almost uncanny.
Fish:I didn't see that.
Jackie:And Chessy I kept staring at her because she looks so familiar. She's now in Abbott Elementary, which is a cute show.
Cayleigh:Yeah, that's kind of a lot of alcolades. Yes. Yep.
Fish:Did you guys know that?She had identical twin boys who were born on October 11. I did know about three years after this movie came out Simon and Spencer. same birthday as the twins
Jackie:Hallie and Annie.
Nate:That's Brad's crazy.
Cayleigh:Yeah, the other thing I want to call out is the soundtrack of this movie.Fucking slaps.
Jackie:slaps who
Fish:debase? Yeah. Entertain us with a couple songs. Yes. Come on. The drums are required
Cayleigh:definitely not what I was used to, but why not? I'll throw that on Spotify when I'm driving.
Nate:So I wasn't listening as much to the soundtrack but
Cayleigh:has a lot of Nat King Cole. Okay. I just a very, like90 soundtrack sprinkled in.Well, you know, I mean, not that the songs are from the 90s just that it there's like a very specific cozy like a vibe. Yeah,that you get from movies of this time. I feel like stepmom is another one that gets referred to as like a cozy movie with a great soundtrack. That's mostly oldies. But the other thing David pointed out that I had never clocked it was it was that I was like, God, the soundtrack for this movie. slaps harder than I remembered. And David goes, Yeah, but it's all covers.Oh, yeah. I feel like that had to have been intentional.Because it's a remake. And what does it cover? A remake
Fish:blowing minds on this pod,y'all.
Jackie:Yeah, they did. Lindsay Lohan briefly. The hums are sings a little line from the let's get together. So from the
Cayleigh:original when she's getting on the elevator, which yep,
Jackie:I remembered most of that song. I didn't know it was specifically for that movie.Yeah, I thought it was a legitimate song from that time period.
Cayleigh:I feel like it's one of those where it was made for the movie, but then be like,like the movie was a marketing tool for the song. Yeah. But yeah,
Nate:yeah, it does look like a great soundtrack for the Lindsay Lohan version. Not all covers,but there are a lot of covers.Yeah, here comes the sun. We were we're like, I do remember that. But it's not.
Cayleigh:There she goes is the cover.
Fish:There's more covers than you typically see in a movie normally Yeah, I feel like movies don't have a lot of covers. Usually it's more original.
Cayleigh:Especially for Disney's got the pockets to get the originals. Yep. You know what I mean? They're not they're not hurting for their soundtrack budget. You want to know how I'm validated that this movie is like a real cut. above the rest in the cozy feel good family genre. Someone got a little misty eyed.
Nate:Misty.
Fish:When
Nate:would you get Misty over
Cayleigh:when she's like real?She's like meeting her grandpa and her mom for the first time.
Fish:I forgot.
Jackie:It's pretty cute with the grandpa.
Cayleigh:Also because I think I made a comment, comment. So she's meeting her grandpa for the first time, which then I'm just like, oh, yeah, like, this is a grandpa. It's her grandpa just as much as it is. And his grandpa and she never knew him.It's not just their parents.There's this whole extended family. And then I was like,Man, I don't have a grandpa. I haven't really had a grandpa for a long time. And then I was like, David doesn't have a grandpa. He hasn't had a grandpa for a long time. So that I looked at him and I go, like,Oh, I wish I had a grandpa. I you know, don't you It's during this like very emotional scene,where she's meeting her grandpa and making a memory. And this version of the grandpa is sweet and perfect. And exactly what you would want a grandpa to be on like the original grandpa.And it was a moment, but I feel like it was more so the movie and less my comment bringing up the fact that neither.
Jackie:Hey, did you know you don't have a grandpa? You wish you had one?
Fish:Maybe we can adopt our neighbors of grandpa. Another interesting tidbit is you know that I'm Lindsay Lohan's brother was in this film, Michael. He was the one boy at the girls camp.
Cayleigh:And then her mom, Dina Lohan and her sister were in the airport scene as extra rows. And there's a shot of them where you can see them doing exactly what extras aren't supposed to do.And that's watching the main scene happening
Nate:looking directly.
Cayleigh:Yeah, because first hurdle because it's like her little sister. So she's I think she's just like, She's a kid.What can you do? But then, Deena turns in is like, also looking.Which? Yeah, her parents suck.So yeah, yes. You. He was just the beginning. Much like I say,much like the other movie.Should child actors exist?
Fish:Who's gonna portray children then?
Cayleigh:Yes. You know what guy? We can't have for our entertainment.
Nate:That's insane. You can do one movie. And that's it. Yeah,put a quota and talk to us when you're 18. No, I did believe the, the romance story in the lohan version much more than I believed it in the original.
Cayleigh:Yeah, I wanted them together. Yeah, I shipped it.
Nate:And when they get together in their, you know, they had a couple couple argue or not arguments, but like misunderstandings or, you know,conversations that got a little heated about, you know, what happened back in the day, it still wasn't clear. Like, why did they? Why they split up? And ultimately, it sounds like, it's because Dennis Quaid didn't follow her back to, you know,didn't chase after she went home
Fish:education.
Cayleigh:I know, it's not that deep. And I like I get it. I promise. I'm living in the world. And I know it. I know,this is just a Disney movie. And they kept it vague so that it wouldn't make us think too much about it. So that we wouldn't be like, Well, hold on a second,but, okay. So they keep it vague. They keep reiterating. We were so young, we know that they got married, like immediately.They didn't date for a while they like, you know, did this crazy thing. Oh, we met and then we got married immediately on the ship. Yeah, um, yada, yada,yada. I totally could see if you do something that impulsive and crazy, because that's crazy.being like, I don't think you're actually in this like I don't like we I think we made a mistake. And that you're not actually going to be here when things get tough and that I don't think you actually really like, love me. And that you're like, here here. And so her running away to make him prove that is obviously super juvenile. But if she's like 20to 23 juvenile behavior is part of the deal. So then, that to me is like it's not reasonable to ever split up twins. We're not going there. But I could see making that irrational decision.Yeah, because I already made one irrational decision of getting married and like pile on more now wasn't like less than 20 For hours was like a weekend. Was it a week? I don't know how long they knew each other for. But it wasn't long
Fish:cruise just enough for a cruise.
Nate:Yeah, next like a week 10day.
Cayleigh:So that's crazy. So it gives us a track record that they do impulsive things
Fish:on a different note. How how nice Was it when we found out that he tracked down every bottle from that year that they had at the on their wedding day?
Cayleigh:Yeah, yeah, that was cute. So cute. We want to see him together.
Fish:And he didn't know where she was. She was
Cayleigh:worried. Because they want to hear
Fish:oh, they're gonna turn it up and then wow, we're gonna hit him with something.
Cayleigh:But yeah, I'm just saying. It's quite nice. I see why it has a chokehold on the internet. I think it aged well.I think it'll continue to age well, and I think, again, I think they did a good job of sidestepping, and correcting. If that makes sense. And it just makes me want low hand to have a comeback. I'd like to see her win because society really chewed her up.
Fish:Is she coming out is something coming out on Netflix with her and yet she
Cayleigh:has a Christmas movie.I thought it was supposed to come out last year, but I was fooled and tricked.
Fish:Well, let's check it out.
Cayleigh:So perhaps this Christmas, let's do it. Also,Dennis Quaid is a hottie don't look into his personal life either. And chessie is iconic
Fish:worshipping her in the butler.
Cayleigh:Ship it, but it's fun.
Jackie:It's fun.
Cayleigh:I don't think they got the chemistry.
Fish:I think they do.
Nate:I agree.
Fish:I mean, you he he's out there hanging out in a Speedo,having a great time. And she's loving it. And he's like, beat he can be himself around her.
Cayleigh:I guess that's true.
Fish:I think they're good.Anyway, I think it's a pretty fun film. i This is my first time seeing it. I didn't see the original and I only caught glimpses of it as you were watching and Kelly. But it's it's pretty fun. I think it's,for me as enjoyable as the other movie it takes to if it was on if you were watching it,probably tune in.
Jackie:So I was going to share.As you too may know, Nate and I aren't watching TV this month.
Cayleigh:Oh snap.
Jackie:And so our little bit of a workaround was while we're obviously watching movies for the pod. And so one night while we were doing dinner, we're like let's watch the original Parent Trap. That's why we ended up watching that felt like a loophole.
Cayleigh:There you go
Fish:and the other loopholes.Are you guys gonna exploit?
Jackie:Oh, is that we just had the three movies this week.
Cayleigh:You might find a loophole if you guys had been.We should watch Friends. Yeah,cuz there was two friends. Like,hold on a second. Yeah.
Jackie:That's a little sketchy then. Yep. Yeah, so with the Parent Trap. I said earlier that when I was a kid, I was very loyal to the original one didn't really I definitely saw the Lindsay Lohan one when it came out. But I remember just being very anti the Lindsay Lohan one.I agree with everything you said that was problematic about the original one. Especially watching now I think there was a lot of better aspects to the lohan one. The parents are way more likable. Even Lindsay's characters more likeable are both characters. I still think it's a cute movie. Oh, watch it again. I don't know when but I wouldn't mind if it was on.
Cayleigh:And I would still watch the original. Yeah, I'm not anti I would watch it more.For different reason. If I have if I'm sick, and I mean chicken and stars soup, and I need some comfort in my life. I'm gonna reach for the lohan if I need something to not laugh out like,Oh, what a you know, not like in a mean way, but more like, Let's laugh at their dysfunction.That's kind of the point. And we're not going to look too deep into this and I just need an old school movie. Well, because I have that mood that I get in where I need to watch an old school movie. I'm going to I'll watch the parents
Jackie:and don't forget those little Cupid cartoons.
Cayleigh:Oh my god, I almost for God, I totally was like, I have to bring up the butts at the end
Fish:is the best part of the movie.
Cayleigh:That is one that really I forgot all about that.
Jackie:I had forgotten about that too.
Nate:In the beginning.
Cayleigh:You actually don't have to watch the movie if you don't want to. If you want to save yourself some of the misogyny just watch the Cupid's at the beginning. Because the Cupids is beginning tell you the entire story. Everything that's going to happen. They do not care about spoilers back in the day. Yeah. But then you got to fast forward because the very end they put z and on the butts of the Cupid, and it is hilarious. Yep. I love a good.
Fish:Watch it for that.
Nate:This isn't a my final thoughts on Parent Trap. I'm Team lohan version. I liked it.Much better than the original.I've seen the original before.It's been a long time watching it. Now. You see, like as an adult, you see the problematic stuff with the relationship big time. That was problematic when we were kids too. I mean, right?It's just wasn't problematic. In the 60s when it was made. But very misogynistic.
Jackie:This just came to me but like 60s, right? Divorce was a big deal. And yeah, not supposedly. So it almost feels a little sinister with this movie of like, yeah, even though there's some abuse there. You should be together.
Cayleigh:It's a Disney movie. So I guarantee you that that was the message that they were trying to
Jackie:add. Just put that to
Fish:what
Cayleigh:and perhaps why they made them more dysfunctional, because again,it's kind of odd for Disney movie to like, even in the 60s depict domestic violence and like, what it was like, right,but like this really dysfunctional, it's supposed to be wholesome, and mothers, you know, cooking for the family and father like it's supposed to be wholesome and happy families.And so I almost wonder if they purposefully made them extra dysfunctional to really drive home like, but you can make it Yeah,
Jackie:they still need
Cayleigh:to be together. Yeah.Interesting. Yeah.
Jackie:Yeah. Very nice.
Nate:I'm glad to bring these revelations. Yeah. But yeah,much improved version for the 98version with Lindsay Lohan. And I would watch it again, don't know when don't know where we're gonna
Cayleigh:take a break. When we come back. All of the things that we have been holding back will come loose. Like the revelation that your nemesis at Camp is actually your twin sister when we come back and we're back. Okay, so one thing that I wanted to get into that I was trying to hold back because I want to be able to freely talk about all of the media available to me. The issue with identical strangers and why I actually so the low hand specific one is problematic because what the fuck is happening that parents in the80s are splitting up their daughters and are okay with not seeing one of their kids every good smile, telling
Nate:them not telling totally
Jackie:different country
Nate:you have a sister in California.
Cayleigh:It's completely fucked up. I get why they completely just did not really acknowledge it or dive into it emotionally because they knew too complicated. Yes. That it takes two is the exact same problem in the opposite direction. Everyone is weirdly calm and not asking any questions about why they're
Nate:strangers. It's incredible. They look so much alike.
Cayleigh:And it's weird.
Nate:Yeah, and it's weird. Dot dot dot never speak of it again.Here's
Cayleigh:how we fix it. How do we fix it? Kaylee, here's how we fix it. Sister sister. It makes sense for that movie specifically. In the 80s. They were still splitting up twins for adoption. birth mothers had to specifically like you know sign and say you need to keep my twins together even if it means that are harder to adopt out because it was harder to adopt out twins. You have to find a family who is willing to take two babies at the same time. And adoption agencies.Unfortunately, I'm not going to get too into it because it's very controversial. Our money hungry bastards who will do very unethical things. Anyway,sidestepping that she's in an orphanage. Yeah, that's what I thought. It makes perfect sense for them to be twins who were separated at birth. Scotland did not get adopted.
Jackie:Yeah, for sure.
Cayleigh:And that father callow hand was not told that he had a daughter. Yeah, you could even then get rid of the dead mother trope and say that he adopted a daughter because he really wanted a kid and he's this amazing, wonderful, rich Prince.Yep. And you know what I'm saying people it's just it was right there. He was right there.
Fish:Reach out and grab a
Nate:missed opportunity.
Jackie:Oh, even with the even with the mother being dead.
Cayleigh:Yeah, that's fine.
Jackie:Right. They could have had it they adopted a kid maybe they didn't know she was a twin because the orphanage was a hell yeah. orphanage was a little sketch anyway with not letting Diane adopt her. Yeah, yeah, the buttkisses. Yeah. But it still ties because then the mother would still want to support that orphanage and half camp Callaway exactly it'd be a perfect story that she
Cayleigh:you know, love children and just have one so we adopted one bump about Yes,yeah. 100 per cent.
Jackie:No one just, they just go with it. Oh, cool. You guys look like
Nate:if only they had called us when they wrote.
Cayleigh:I was, you know, five,but I still would have known.
Nate:Right? You got a loophole.
Fish:doppelganger out there,right there just
Cayleigh:doppelganger who's doppelgangers enough that you could switch places with them and not soul would ever be the wiser? Not?
Nate:That's the interesting piece is like, do are there there's six approaching 7billion people in the planet,right? Are there strangers that are identical enough to pass
Jackie:and be around the same age
Nate:friends age or for facial recognition?
Cayleigh:Right? What was it
Jackie:you were reading on the way on Wikipedia about the Olsen twins? You said it was something about they were they weren't identical. But at the same age,they looked alike? Yeah. Like they're always at the same age.
Nate:I read it. And I didn't process it as I was really good.Jackie goes. I mean, Jackie went off on me. Of course, they look the same at the same age. And you can see Hang on. That's on Wikipedia. I didn't write that
Jackie:was the same age.
Fish:You could edit that if you wanted to.
Jackie:us again, couples cut needs to have what? Wikipedia editing,
Cayleigh:give us privileges.
Fish:I think anybody can
Jackie:sound like a lot of work.
Nate:But yeah, I honestly didn't know they weren't identical twins. Until maybe I knew in passing,
Fish:I'm still not getting
Cayleigh:when I was a preteen,it was a cool thing to know how to tell them apart. If you're like consuming a lot of their media, I don't remember how to tell them apart. But back in the day. So interesting thing. Now,this is almost a three, four,because we talked a lot about the original, and we're gonna talk about it more, you can kind of see so it takes two is technically based on the Prince adn the Pauper. But you can see elements of the original Parent Trap.
Nate:Oh, yeah. When you have like Prince and the Pauper, you have a prince and a peasant switch places for various reasons. Right? In it takes to you have that except for the love story. And when you introduce the love story, it becomes a parent trap.
Cayleigh:And what's interesting further is Lisa and Lottie. I'm not if that's the English translation of the German novel from the 40s. I'm not gonna try and pronounce the German version. There was a wealth disparity. So that author was well known for writing about,like social commentary for children, okay. And his big thing with his original Buckley son lobby was that he wanted to talk about how parents make selfish decisions at the expense of their children. He wanted to talk about the social classes.And so, and he also did, I think, from my understanding,sort of leaning into that, like the sanctity of marriage wanted to talk about keeping families together. But anyway, so I feel like if you go actually leap to the source material it takes to minus the divorce parents aspect. They say it's Prince and Pauper, but you have that exact same dichotomy in the original Lisa and Lottie. The mom is like a, you know, worker, and they live in poverty. And the dad is wealthy and the sister who lives with the dad has this lavish lifestyle. So we don't see any difference from that translation. In fact, Parent Trap, both versions step away from that by making them both wealthy so that we wouldn't feel bad for one sister or the other,which I think was a good choice.I'm surprised that the 60s version decided to do that. I'm proud of them. But it would have made it again a much more tragic story if one of them was living in poverty. Still Life and the other one was living in the lap of luxury.
Jackie:Yeah, the Prince and the Pauper side stepping a little must have had a big resurgence in the 90s Because now I'm recalling Xena episodes they did multiple episodes where they had Xena exchange she looks identical to a princess.Alright, so they exchanged so the princess then has to try and be Xena goes poorly. It's all very comedic and then they have another episode where they end up introducing a third look alike who is actually a prostitute?
Nate:Didn't Disney do it with Mickey to at one point?
Cayleigh:Probably they did a lot of like literature. Yeah.
Jackie:Which is big, especially in like sci fi shows. I think there were a lot of those.
Nate:Yeah, it's interesting when we were we watched it takes two first right? Yeah. And when we watched the low hand version of a parent trap, I kept saying I'm like how is it takes to not a remake? trap or based on right
Cayleigh:there's even little things what I thought was interesting. Is that in the original Parent Trap, we have the piano as one of their like towels. And it was gum chewing one of the towels
Jackie:French in the Lohan I
Cayleigh:don't know I mean in the original one was one of them a gum chewer I thought I saw one. Nail Nailbiter as well.Maybe not but they for sure the piano thing that out?
Jackie:No, it was in a it takes two they had her spit out the gum.
Cayleigh:Yeah, but I thought that when I was watching because I the order I watched in was lohan it takes two that original Parent Trap. And when I was watching the original Parent Trap I kept being reminded of it takes two. And I could have swore that the gum was one of the things that made me
Nate:even without the gum. The piano thing. Yeah. is interesting because I can't remember it takes two she winds up there. She's at the party and they're like play for us. And she's like, I can't which clearly means the other one can the
Cayleigh:opening scene was her the Alyssa at a piano recital that she like carries a word home. Yeah, so for sure.
Jackie:Thank you sidetrack, I guess but you just jogged my memory about something else and it takes two where I felt like Diane was a bit incompetent when they go horseback riding and she loses is the one girl was like oh well I'm gonna keep riding
Cayleigh:Same with the dad The dad same thing they only make
Jackie:my almost excuse it because it's like their property barely knows how to ride a horse. The social workers like oh, well I'm gonna go off with this guy now. What you should care about
Nate:deeply into it.
Cayleigh:What's interesting though, is so we have you know it takes to is technically based on prince and the Pauper, but it's not. We see that you know,it seems to have influenced elsewhere we keep talking about all the original Parent Trap the original Parent Trap. There is another movie with almost the exact same plotline as the original Parent Trap. And it's called twice blessed. And it's from the 40s Right. Very interesting. We love a twin story. We love a weird twin mess around what is up with that
Nate:plasmus around
Cayleigh:I did not get around to watching twice blessed. I could have gone deeper.
Nate:You could have to that's a loophole.
Jackie:You missed that loophole.
Cayleigh:Yeah, I have to wonder I feel like the lohan version of The Parent Trap flourished by ageing the main characters down a little bit from the original I do wonder if it takes to could have flourished from kids movie that you know if you watched it when you're a kid you're you know gonna like it and maybe as an adult it's throwing the dice into feel good. The whole Nolan's grimacing to have to watch it if they had a waited till the Olsen twins are a little older. I have to wonder if the age and then being able because that's like a huge acting challenge to give to a child
Jackie:because they would have been about eight probably when I was filming
Cayleigh:probably so like to give that acting challenge even to someone lohans age is a big ask and I think why she was put on the pedestal she was put on I don't think it was undeservedly.I think she showed she showed up she showed how not saying that the Olsens didn't it again, I don't think it's their fault. I don't think there's a lot of adults who could, you know,stand up to that acting challenge. So just interesting the different age groups and the fact that all three of those movies have different age groups you have you know, Kid young kid, you have preteen and you have teenager theory.Specifically,
Jackie:one tie I saw between the original Parent Trap and it takes to was both have a humiliating part where addresses I was wondering,
Nate:and I wonder if there's
Fish:does that happen?It takes to
Jackie:Yeah, the wedding dress.For the Yeah, though.
Fish:Remember that?
Jackie:The socialite they showed one of the girls steps on his.
Nate:I'm so embarrassed, I've never been so embarrassed. The most embarrassed I've ever been or something
Jackie:so humiliated. My Life won a bet
Fish:blinked during that same
Nate:for not being called out as based on it at all. There are a lot of similarities and callbacks are things that could be callbacks,the piano, the dress thing, the fact that they introduced a camp into it, even though they didn't have to use a camp orphanage,they could have done it a bunch of different ways. But they do the camp with it. It's just very there's the evil stepmom. All of that and is when you introduce the love story into it, it becomes it becomes the Parent Trap, right? Almost. I mean,they're not they weren't. They didn't split up initially.Right. They weren't together initially. But it's
Jackie:they're concocting,
Nate:they're concocting a plan to trick the adults into getting together.
Cayleigh:Well, and what's interesting is, like I say, like an earlier I was discussing model behavior, which I do think is a more direct adaptation of the prince in the pauper. And we've talked about the oh,there's, you know, shows that I've, you know, done that and whatever, I think isn't one of the aspects that I forget which direction in the you know,original, but that there is a love story, but it's one of the switchers that falls in love with someone that, you know,they would never be able to be with it there. I assume that's the pauper acting as the prince falls in love with somebody, but you know what I mean? So I get that when you age it down as drastically. But the fact that not just the Parent Trap already existing, but the fact that the Parent Trap is based on a book,and there's also a movie from the 1940s. With this, it just seems odd that they were a you know, that they're, they're stating that and that they're going that direction with it when again, the original, the original original source material of the book has a wealth disparity. You don't mean the only thing that this one doesn't have? And why they can probably say oh, no, because they can't, I have to imagine that Disney owns the rights to that book. And so the Olsen twins, we're never going to be able to do a Parent Trap because they don't work with Disney.They're not affiliated, they don't have contracts with Disney, they have their own production company. So they were never going to be able to do lisa and Lotty and thus never going to be able to do a Parent Trap. Right? So I have to assume that saying no. So the prince in the popper is more of a sidestep. Because like I say,yeah, the only thing we're missing is that they're not related. And I have to wonder if again, maybe that was intention.They couldn't do a sister. Yeah,
Nate:yeah. Cuz that's interesting. You mentioned that the the original novel or book is an old German book, probably from the 1800s. So actually from the 40s Oh, it's from the it's from the 40s. Then Disney absolutely could on the right.Yeah. Because if you go too old,it's like it's open source open source. You can it's a
Jackie:thing that dated back to the 1800s though.
Fish:The prints in the pauper?Yeah.
Cayleigh:So because like I said, that's why the writing isn't it's not a fairy tale that this is Lisa and Lottie isn't technically a fairy tale. We're not talking like a Grimm Brothers style children's story.You can tell that it's 1940s,Germany by the fact that this author is very into class consciousness in the social order in his writings, that's his big shtick in what he's imparting on children. So that's why like I say the wealth gap was important in his original work, which is why I have to wonder if we will get they can't do another Parent Trap remake.It was PSAs in the 90s to get away with the concept and they found a way to sidestep it by not really bringing it up and not engaging with it emotionally. There's no way you're gonna get away with that.Now in times people demand an explanation people do people on the internet tear apart loopholes, you're not gonna get another Parent Trap there, they would have to find a way around that.
Nate:I think you found it.You'd have to adjust the story.Yeah.
Cayleigh:But then how do you get the parents needing to meet and fall in love?
Fish:Do we need another Parent Trap? Jesus? No, we
Cayleigh:Lohans version perfected it. But that means that Disney is going to eventually lose the copyright.
Nate:Its fish asking the hard hitting questions.
Cayleigh:If they don't do anything with that property,they'll lose it, which means that we will get more parent traps, they'll just be awful.Not that I'm like praising Disney. But I do think that they keep a very iron clasp on their intellectual properties to make sure that they make them.
Nate:So it's interesting. I wonder. Okay, so Disney is so big into copyright because of Mickey Mouse, right? So every time the copyright come, it used to be life of the last surviving author plus, whatever, 50 years,then that was going to expire.And Disney was going to lose Mickey Mouse and they lobbied to have a change the life of the last year for surviving author plus 75 years. I don't know what it is today. That was when I was in college and went through a copyright class. It applies to all copyrights. So yes, they keep Mickey and Goofy and Donald and all of that. But I would imagine if they have a copyright, on Parent Trap, and other properties that keeps extending to right, which is super interesting. Now. Other authors that are still alive benefit from Disney doing that,right? But people who want to do works from the public domain,public domain just keeps pushing out right, or, or very few things roll over into public domain compared to if the law had never been changed.
Cayleigh:Which what is interesting is actually the only reason that I'm like, aware of this is because there was lots of news about Winnie the Pooh,because everyone was holding their breath because he was about to enter the public domain.
Jackie:And you're a cartoon,
Cayleigh:everyone was waiting and thought for sure that Disney would lobby to get it extended again, in order to prevent Winnie the Pooh from entering the public domain. And they did not Winnie the Pooh is in the public domain. Now, not the digital version. So you can't do a red shirt. But you can do the original because like I say it wasn't Did you know it's Disney remaking you know, buying an intellectual property making it their own.
Nate:So is the author a Milan,something like that?
Cayleigh:I'm not sure offhand,but that author's original works. Story and drying are all public domain now.
Nate:Interesting. So anyway,super interesting stuff with the intellectual property. Some might say boring. I say interesting. But fish brings up a good point. Do we need another parent trap
Cayleigh:know for sure now, I think that lohan version fixed what wasn't? What was always going to age poorly about the original? And I don't think there are obviously are still things there's still holes are still things that could be fixed, but I don't actually think they could be fixed. I think there are problems with the original story that if you change it, it's not no parent traveler anymore. Yeah. So it's as fixed as it's gonna get.
Jackie:So what are we watching next week? I think Nate knows.
Nate:Next week. We are watching The Thomas Crown Affair and The Italian Job for heist movies.
Fish:Oh, it's kind of like that. Can't eat can't sleep reach for the stars over the fence World Series can
Jackie:kinda heist
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