The Thomas Crown Affair & The Italian Job

Join a heist with the pros from Thomas Crown Affair (Pierce Brosnan, Rene Russo, Denis Leary) and The Italian Job (Mark Wahlberg, Charlize Theron, Edward Norton).

(This episode contains spoilers)

Where to watch The Thomas Crown Affair (1999)?
Rent on Apple TV or Amazone Prime
Where to watch The Italian Job (2003)?
Netflix or Paramount +
* As of September 2022 in the USA

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Transcript

Cayleigh: 0:00

As much as I like to build as much as I like tangled, and I enjoy it like I ship

Nate: 0:15

sneezes twice thank you and apologize Thank you Sorry

Cayleigh: 0:26

Hello and welcome to couples can a podcast where two couples the goods Hey, hey and the fishes hi hello give their commentary on a fine pairing movies

Jackie: 0:41

in case it isn't obvious there will be spoilers for both movies during this podcast.

Cayleigh: 0:47

So without further ado undo buzzin in our mini coopers

Jackie: 0:55

do mini Cooper's buzz

Fish: 0:58

in this movie they did

Nate: 0:59

they buzzed in this movie.

Fish: 1:02

At least a couple of them did. Yeah. Which we'll talk about.

Cayleigh: 1:05

Let's let's dive in and our scuba gear to get the gold

Nate: 1:11

splash.

Cayleigh: 1:13

This week, we do our heist movies with The Italian Job and The Thomas Crown Affair, which I did not know. We're both remakes. Yep, yes, unaware. So now,

Jackie: 1:30

this one through a little bit multiple just

Cayleigh: 1:31

to clarify. So David, and I watch the new ones.

Nate: 1:35

Yes, yeah.

Cayleigh: 1:37

Because it wasn't until I was researching, I was like, oh, both of these are remakes. And I was like, Oh, wow, I was very adamant about which Parent Trap we were watching. Nobody mentioned which of these so I assumed that the modern ones, but it could be fun if we show up. And that was not what we were supposed to do.

Nate: 1:54

The modern ones I've actually never seen the originals of either. Oh, interesting.

Jackie: 1:58

And we did not watch them.

Cayleigh: 2:01

So this week's rapid fire because Jackie is right. These are you know love stories about their heart. Which Disney couple is healthiest in your opinion. My name is Cayleigh. And here's the thing. I don't like stand by any of these couples like I'm not gonna die on this hill. If someone has a good point. I probably agree with you. I'm gonna go with Ana and Kristoff which is interesting, because that's in that

Jackie: 2:35

description. Right? That's the number one.

Cayleigh: 2:38

I think they're healthy because originally she was going to be with the villain spoiler alert. And then they naturally fall in love through their journey and trying to save her sister. So there's like they get to know each other and then fall in love. And I believe they are age appropriate for one another. So that is my criteria. As much as I like tank. I like Flynn and Rapunzel together. And I like their chemistry and love story there. They're not healthiest because she's 16 I think are 18 I don't know she's a teenager and he's not

Jackie: 3:23

young and

Cayleigh: 3:24

so that's a problem for me anyway.

Jackie: 3:29

Do they specify how old you are? Yeah, cuz you're celebrating a birthday. Yeah, I've only seen it. I just watched it recently, but I'm only seen it twice.

Fish: 3:37

What was the question again?

Cayleigh: 3:38

The healthiest Disney couple in your opinion.

Jackie: 3:42

Eve and WallE

Nate: 3:44

Oh, that's a good one.

Jackie: 3:45

That's pretty cute. That is cute. They're healthy. They don't

Cayleigh: 3:49

get your dive. Sorry. I forgot I really grilled David on this. Defend.

Nate: 3:54

Yeah, I gotta pick a real one.

Jackie: 3:56

They're very healthy. They're going outside of their comfort zones because of each other.

Fish: 4:01

That's good. This is David Can I Can I pick the Mandalorian and grow goo?

Cayleigh: 4:07

A couple David's

Jackie: 4:10

graduate.

Fish: 4:14

But you didn't say like romantic couple. They're like,

Cayleigh: 4:16

that's the implication healthiest couple. I don't know how else can I word that

Jackie: 4:22

or you can do this on purpose. Can

Fish: 4:24

you change it to pair? No.

Cayleigh: 4:27

Because then it did. That's not a there's a very contentious thing about how like Disney often exemplifies terrible relationships and like like very unhealthy relationships and so they're they're pretty good at Friendship. There's lots of great Duo's and Disney I don't think that's a controversial thing. It's not an interesting conversation.

Nate: 4:51

Well, I'll fish things I will say. Though, I had to look up a list because I need to jog my memory but I did like the relationship of bobbin Helen in The Incredibles because they just have each other's back. It's like when when it's her you know when it's her strength. He's like Yeah, go for it. And when it is she's like yeah, go for it and they just are there together throughout the whole thing.

Cayleigh: 5:15

Have you seen the second one?

Nate: 5:16

I haven't not

Cayleigh: 5:17

then I love that answer for you.

Jackie: 5:19

Okay I don't think I've seen the second one either.

Cayleigh: 5:24

I am not going to trash it I don't feel strongly about it. They just wouldn't be my pick after seeing the second one because Helen like goes to work. I don't think you cope well. with it. He is not a supportive partner.

Nate: 5:38

Well now I don't think I want to see the second one I'm happy but

Cayleigh: 5:43

it was entertaining. It was fine. I don't feel like I broke to see it again. Or like it I'm not gonna like roast it. It wasn't a bad movie.

Nate: 5:50

But I would probably change my answer.

Cayleigh: 5:51

Yeah, you probably probably because I feel like I feel like if you and Jackie watched the second one together I think you guys would notably walk away being like Well Bob was kind of I mean they're they make up in the end and they're like they you know there's apologies and stuff like that like they work on it but it just was not a good one for him.

Fish: 6:10

Is nala and simba a good pick.

Jackie: 6:14

You tell us you tell

Cayleigh: 6:15

defend why why did they come to mind?

Fish: 6:18

I'm just wondering if there's anything controversial

Nate: 6:22

please tell me if my pickers okay before I pick it.

Jackie: 6:26

what does simba do wrong.

Cayleigh: 6:29

No simba is canceled. You Yes. Yeah.

Nate: 6:35

is now reset.

Cayleigh: 6:37

So, I mean, there is

Jackie: 6:38

heard it here first

Cayleigh: 6:39

there is the interesting fact if you consider that like lions are prides and that Nala and simba are almost certainly like half siblings.

Nate: 6:49

Yeah.

Jackie: 6:50

Bonnie's gonna take on more wives.

Cayleigh: 6:52

Yeah, that too.

Nate: 6:53

That's okay in the animal

Cayleigh: 6:54

kingdom by again. Yeah, exactly. Totally drawing the line Yeah,

Nate: 6:58

we're letting them be there.

Fish: 7:00

Apparently there was there was some book series to have the Lion King and you learn scars real name and translates to like garbage. Like the whatever his name is in whatever language translates into like and I think simbas name is like translates into something like nice enjoy. Sounds like no underscore turned out bad he's he's the garbage kid. But anyway, this is David fish. David Dean fish DDF DD fish.

Jackie: 7:38

Did you give us your Social Security now?

Fish: 7:41

773 Munna does DD fish sound pretty cool?

Nate: 7:47

I don't know I have to pick one of these as your intro and cut the rest

Fish: 7:53

like if I if I were to write something I think that's what I'd like. Any fish admit

Cayleigh: 7:58

David I was all in on taking your last name obviously. It's done so it can't be on did what's my original name wasn't What's wrong isn't good. A fish is not as marketable as you think like if we open an ice cream place it can't be efficient

Fish: 8:16

ship Yeah, can ice cream? No, people are gonna

Nate: 8:18

be like, Well,

Cayleigh: 8:21

I've been thinking about like IOT fish. If I get enough farming going in our backyard and I can like do like a micro farm. Fish farms. Sounds like we farm Yeah, we have tanks and we're

Fish: 8:36

Yeah, but we could do that too. And he could use the fish waste as the fertilizer for the plants and then

Cayleigh: 8:43

it doesn't give like a cute aesthetic in your mind.

Fish: 8:46

Well, this frees you up to pick any name and any word you want. Doesn't have to feel a family

Jackie: 8:51

no good.

Cayleigh: 8:52

And I can't even do you like if I wanted to author a mystery novel. How you want to be DD fish if you write a novel I can't be my initials because it's a sentence see a fish?

Nate: 9:07

They're a fish. So DD fish is very gender neutral.

Jackie: 9:11

That's true.

Fish: 9:11

No one will know. No. They'll never know. Yeah, you

Cayleigh: 9:14

have desert great pen name. I am left with very little options here. Sorry.

Nate: 9:19

See a fish were

Fish: 9:22

there fish.

Nate: 9:24

Blue Fish Red Fish.

Jackie: 9:25

That makes it more catchy though. See a fish?

Cayleigh: 9:28

I guess it's a great screen name.

Fish: 9:31

Right? Start writing.

Cayleigh: 9:33

It's not Yeah, not a great pen name. Anyway, I'm sorry. Go on. Pick your intro because you've done everything that our home address.

Fish: 9:47

I pick is a Nala and Simba you know they had they had a connection when they were younger. Right and then they were separated for a while. But you know when they came back it was like, you know they never part it right and most importantly she helps him you know oops scars s so she like she's ready to throw down for permit and that's

Jackie: 10:12

how they word it in the Disney film and

Fish: 10:16

yeah and

Nate: 10:17

the play production the stage production the same way

Fish: 10:20

well yeah bears tonight

Cayleigh: 10:30

to be seeing on John mode do sir kulula

Jackie: 10:45

alleges can wait to be king mate Are you trying to think of a song?

Nate: 10:52

No, I'm just remember. I've seen that. I saw it twice in the theaters I think. Oh, wow.

Fish: 10:57

That means you're old. I

Cayleigh: 10:58

guess I was just gonna say you're old enough to remember.

Nate: 11:02

I was in Pennsylvania remember singing

Jackie: 11:09

92 I think that's why you went

Cayleigh: 11:11

Oh, good. I did not seeing

Jackie: 11:13

anything as 95 Let's see. Maybe Aladdin was 92 Lion King

Nate: 11:19

9495 94. Wow.

Fish: 11:22

All right, next.

Cayleigh: 11:24

I assume that we're doing Thomas Crown first.

Fish: 11:29

Sure.

Jackie: 11:29

Let's roll it to a plot.

Cayleigh: 11:31

Yes, do it.

Nate: 11:34

Billionaire Thomas Crown is a fan of Monet, so big a fan. He successfully pulls off a heist within a heist, stealing a painting worth $100 million. The insurance agent in charge of the painting, Katherine Manning suspects him almost immediately. In the wake of the theft. Thomas donates a painting from his private collection, earning praise from the public. Banning convinces the police to keep an eye on crown and meanwhile goes on a date with them. Where she successfully makes copies of his keys. She invades his home and steals the painting back only to find that the painting she took was a very convincing fake. She can prints crown and the two hookup. They go on a trip together and banning is enjoying his company and life of luxury. Crown tries to convince her to escape with them but she refuses. Back home. The police department shows her photos of crown with another woman and she decides to keep pursuing the case. She manages to track down an expert forger in prison, who leads them to think he may have a son with the same skill set man and goes to speak with crown but finds him packing his bags with a woman from the photographs. She returns to the police office and tells them crown plans to return the painting to the museum before fleeing, officially betraying him. While sticking out the museum banning learns that the woman with Crown was actually the expert forger. She anxiously watches his crown walks into the museum with a briefcase. To everyone's surprise, Crown is able to disguise himself with a bowler hat. He manages to set off the sprinkler system which washes away his donated painting, revealing that the original Monet had been there the whole time. He vanishes with bannings favorite painting, and she reconnects with him on a plane to London.

Jackie: 13:23

Fish Facts

Fish: 13:24

The Thomas Crown Affair, released on August 6 1999, and with a budget of around 48 million went on to make over 124 million. Directed by John McTiernan Screenplay by Lesley Dixon and Kurt Wimmer, and starring Pierce Brosnan, Rene Russo and Dennis Leary, and more. Who had seen this

Jackie: 13:46

before.

Cayleigh: 13:47

Not Hi

Nate: 13:48

many times.

Jackie: 13:49

Not Ty either.

Fish: 13:50

I'd seen it before. Not as many times as night but

Nate: 13:53

so it's our second Pierce Brosnan movie, right? Yeah, technically your second Denis Leary movie. Yeah, yeah.

Fish: 14:00

And there's another tie in with our other Brosnan movie, because the screenplay writer Lesley Dixon wrote overboard in stealth fire. It's another connection with other films.

Cayleigh: 14:15

Also. Faye Dunaway. Yes, yes. Yes.

Fish: 14:20

It's Chinatown.

Jackie: 14:23

This really tied to a lot of them. Yes.

Nate: 14:26

Not intentionally. Yeah.

Fish: 14:28

It's not to be to Donnelly.

Nate: 14:32

So apparently, Faye Dunaway wasn't the original.

Cayleigh: 14:35

Yeah, she played the insurance lady in the original okay. And I guess the original what I was reading because I have not seen the original was a little bit more avant garde. I guess. It's like weird. It's a weirder movie. As a little more arty.

Fish: 14:57

Yeah, I think he's like, robbing banks. Although it doesn't need to, and the endings weird I think that's a not a happy ending in the original movie.

Jackie: 15:06

So the original one had nothing to do with art

Cayleigh: 15:08

Correct? No

Jackie: 15:09

interesting.

Nate: 15:10

I think it's the the concept. It sounds like they used the concept of a rich, rich person stealing for the thrill of it not needing the money. The same he stole art in the new one versus robbing banks in the old ones.

Jackie: 15:25

I thought it was interesting that you say the other one was more arty was because this one was clearly trying to do a whole surrealism vibe with the pain right?

Cayleigh: 15:34

When I say already, it's more like a lot of the discussion boards on comparing the original to this one was more that people prefer this one because it was just more fun to watch and easier to go along for the ride versus the original had a lot of like, playing with cameras and playing with like interesting visuals and like so it was just a little bit like, like it wasn't on the style. And yeah, it was more like we're gonna try and do something here. Again, I have not seen it. So I don't know how true that is. I was going off strangers, we have to go back and watch it. So I did like so I guess I don't know if it was the director or the screenwriter. But one of the two, they made the conscious choice to do art thieving, because they thought it would make Thomas more sympathetic and make you root for him and like him rather than if he was just robbing banks. Yeah. And also they were armed robberies in the original and the fact that his high star unarmed was a very conscious choice for the same reason

Jackie: 16:39

for trickery. Yeah, thought behind that.

Fish: 16:41

Pencils and smoke bombs.

Nate: 16:45

Yeah, no guns used in the movie.

Jackie: 16:47

I mean it in the very beginning of the movie. So we start with the literal Trojan horse.

Nate: 16:52

I kept I called it during the movie.

Jackie: 16:55

Before they even open the box. I'm like, that's gonna be a horse.

Nate: 16:59

And then they go Greco Roman, she's like, yep, Trojan horse. That's good. Yeah, it had her at the beginning. Did it? Have you going that? That was the heist? Um, I mean, what do you think it was a ruse at some point?

Cayleigh: 17:13

I didn't know. I am going to be real with you. I'm not dumb. I just don't like, I'm not trying to, like get ahead of the movie when I'm watching movies and like trying to guess stuff and trying to like figure things out. Because like, I'm like, that's all the time, emotionally and mentally

Fish: 17:32

and physically. I don't feel physically.

Cayleigh: 17:35

Thank you. So like, when I'm watching a movie, I'm just watching a movie and it's gonna tell me what's gonna happen.

Nate: 17:41

I respect that. Jackie is always like, here's what's gonna happen. Here's what's going on. If this doesn't make sense.

Cayleigh: 17:48

Do I like to retro actively edit movies and offer suggestions to the sky? Sure.

Jackie: 17:55

I had many for this one.

Fish: 17:56

But many, many. Wow, you're gonna

Jackie: 17:59

need to keep telling me to stop. But

Nate: 18:01

save it. Save it for the pod. Yeah.

Jackie: 18:05

Oh, that's what he kept saying to me over the week or

Cayleigh: 18:08

so that I'm interested. I don't have many the week okay, actually, again, I quite enjoyed the movie. My only thing that I feel like, from the internet on the world, I'm wrong. And I know I'm wrong. But I don't know why I don't know how to change it. Catherine, I did not care for how she was written. I did not care for how she was portrayed. I didn't buy their relationship. I didn't buy that he was so into her that he's gonna do all this stuff.

Jackie: 18:31

You're taking all my talk. I'm so sorry. I thought you know, that was that was actually my only only change. Yeah. And it's we did like start to get into it a little bit. Because I yeah, I wouldn't cheat. I love the cat and mouse. Yeah. But what I would change with this movie is I would have her have at least one more like gotcha moment. Yeah, she has the one at the beginning where she gets his keys and breaks into his house. And so you see, okay, yeah, they might be kind of equal. She can kind of fool him a little right. But then he, you know, one up to her. I'd love to have seen her do that one more time. But instead she starts falling into this, like, dribbling. Oh, no, he's with another woman.

Nate: 19:10

And technically she does because she betrays him to the you know, she gives away

Fish: 19:17

he was expecting

Nate: 19:19

Yeah, he was expecting it. It wasn't big enough.

Jackie: 19:21

The trails not like trickery. It's just like, Okay, now I'm mad at him because he I think he's with another woman. So I'm going to just turn him in now.

Cayleigh: 19:30

Yeah, like I took it Yeah, it's not like a like gotcha moment. I told you I was like, fuck this assholes. And I agree with all of that, but I like a step further. I feel like the only I put this I don't like this in male detective movies. And so I also don't like in a female detective movies. When the detective she's wanted a detective but she's playing that role ish. It's just like, when she's like, that was a knowing glance. bounce the knowing glance of a proud father. Okay, sure. That's great. It ended up being true that ended up being one. Okay. So I'm just supposed to believe that you one glance and that's you sussed that out. And that's the truth. And you immediately knew that there was many moments where she just had the answer and would assert it and be like, that's the answer, given how she immediately suspects him. That's the first person on her list when we when we suss out the details. Oh, it's that guy. rich guy. Like again? How do you mean it is him? How do you know that? Sell me on it. Don't just tell me again. So I think

Jackie: 20:36

just how he's like he's bored. He's clearly doing this for fun. Yeah, for money.

Cayleigh: 20:40

My only complaints are around her character. Yeah, I think she also made her either kind of like a stone cold bitch. And that would have sold me on him falling for her. If she was like, I don't care about your money. I don't care about this. I just want my painting. Yes. Just like a stone cold bitch to him. Yeah, I

Jackie: 20:58

could see Harry mission focus. Yeah, I

Cayleigh: 21:00

could see him falling for that. Man.

Jackie: 21:03

She was.

Cayleigh: 21:04

She was a mess of a person.

Jackie: 21:06

They seem to start it was very felt very 90s because they seem to start with that. If you look at the strong woman,

Fish: 21:12

she didn't start as a mess.

Jackie: 21:13

Yeah, she's coming in here and she's taking charge and

Cayleigh: 21:17

her opening scene is her with her leg. I literally laughed out loud to David.

Fish: 21:21

She's showing a lot of leg at the beginning of

Cayleigh: 21:24

our first meeting of her is she looks like a prostitute. Not in like a slut shaming way. I literally thought that that's what she was going to be when she would they were like, well, I'm you know, are you the insurance person? Something like that. I was like, she's gonna be some kind of woman of the night situation. And she wasn't.

Fish: 21:41

That's one way to find.

Cayleigh: 21:43

It seemed like strange writing. Yes, perspective.

Jackie: 21:47

I will say that, like I was reading that she saw Renee were so I guess they were both in their 40s At this point, which is really cool. Yes. And so she really pushed for the nudity is what I was reading. But you gotta respect that. Like,

Cayleigh: 22:01

although her reasoning was that she said I like my boobs on film in mortalized go downhill.

Fish: 22:13

I was getting vibes of which I think I mentioned in another movie, but in Boondock Saints William Defoe's character. Yeah, he can like, instantly know what happened in synchrony. He knows you. That's the kind of vibes I was getting from her and her

Cayleigh: 22:28

when he does that in boondocks. He's pointing out very specific. He's explaining why he thinks Yeah, she never does. That. explains why she thinks that.

Nate: 22:38

Yes, it is very much they tell you they don't show you. Yeah,

Cayleigh: 22:42

it's only with her character, girls. Brassens character I think is cool.

Jackie: 22:46

He's Yeah, he's

Nate: 22:47

awesome. Very well written. You know,

Cayleigh: 22:49

he's not It's not realistic. And again, I don't think her portrayal is real. Like, I feel like with characters that are really well written, it's either that they're very real and thus relatable, or they are so cool and not relatable, but we want to be like them because they're badass. Yeah. Pierce Brosnan had the latter.

Nate: 23:11

Yeah, if any of our current billionaires were art thieves, I was trying to decide if that would make them more cool.

Fish: 23:18

Depends on what they did with the yarn I guess. Yeah. Then what are they took it they stole like a Banksy. That'd be cool. Like an expensive. But if they steal something like classic theory,

Cayleigh: 23:28

punk rock for a rich person to steal a Banksy, because banks use whole thing is punking rich people. So yeah, it would be like a weird inception. Yeah. But actually, now I did have that thought when I was watching the movie. And I was like, Wow, what a badass and like, he likes art, and he's stealing it. That's interesting. I like this direction. But then I thought about it. And I thought the same thing what if someone was doing that? I'd be mad as hell. Yeah. taking that away from us. plebes to be able to go look at it. And well, yeah, if

Jackie: 24:01

they do it the same way he does. Or it's actually still there. He's not keeping it. That's that was the fun twist. I didn't see that coming. I was trying to figure out how he'd get it back at the end.

Nate: 24:11

Yeah, so outside of the character flaws with Rene Russo's character. It's still a fun movie to watch. Yeah,

Jackie: 24:19

It is fun

Nate: 24:19

I'm not sure why that is. Because generally if it's, they tell us they don't show us we find flaws in that. And we've talked about it in other episodes where it's like, it feels shallow.

Cayleigh: 24:31

I think for me why? Because I did genuinely like this and I would watch it again. I would watch it and hate watch it for her parts, but then I would enjoy watch it for the rest of it. But like, I think it's because how cleverly they set up each heist. It's like a puzzle. I don't even if you watch it, you're trying to see well how how are you gonna do this? I don't know that you could.

Nate: 24:58

And so let's get into To the other internet, or the problem that everybody has with the movie, the full painting and the briefcase,

Cayleigh: 25:06

I did see a lot of that. Yeah.

Nate: 25:09

Everybody who watches it, they're like, What you can't just fall, the wood isn't broken, you can't fold that into the oil. The oil is gonna crack, technically speaking,

Cayleigh: 25:20

Monet and Van Gogh, and most of the Impressionist era is painted on Canvas, with lots of layers and then lacquered over so the canvas would have been fine. They were also painting at a time that the masses could, you know, engage with the art world, and you would be having, you know, you sought to be rich, but like more like merchants and stuff like that could engage with the art world. And so they're moving these paintings, and so they were painting them with that in mind, they're folding them in half, you know, but the problem that people have, and rightly so is the frame. Yeah, that's the frame that it stretches structures, yeah, to him pull it off the frame somehow, or something like that, or cut it out and pulls it

Nate: 26:01

back. So supposedly, in the DVD commentary, the director goes into they had, he doesn't tell details, but they had filmed an elaborate scene. When he stills, you know, when he stills the painting off the wall, it's very quick. He rips it off the wall, throws the bus it out of the frame, throws the frame aside and then puts it in the briefcase, apparently was much longer than that. Taking the frame the stretcher off and then folding it in. And like people were what was the word that they used? They were appalled or or like, like the test audiences were visibly angry. A because it was like desecration of the art. Right? And be because it took too long. Yeah. So it seems like there is no right answer. It's just they took artistic license with it. Yeah. And that's you just have to go with it.

Cayleigh: 26:55

Which what's funny, and again, this should really drive home when I say that I'm just watching a movie, and I'm going along for the ride. And I'm not thinking about things. I didn't even notice. I was his demographic when he said we'll just do it very quickly. And then people won't even notice. Yeah, it was me.

Jackie: 27:11

I called.

Nate: 27:12

I didn't know, the first couple times I watched it and my, my buddy was like, hey, that doesn't How does that work? And I'm just like, oh, man, I really, really liked this movie. Don't rip it apart for me.

Fish: 27:26

Magic briefcase,

Nate: 27:27

but then when he takes it out of his office, and it's perfectly intact. Yeah. And just Yeah. It was like it's never folded in a briefcase. That's where it's like, okay,

Jackie: 27:35

so one thing I wanted to ask during the movie, I never did. How did he so we get the elaborate plot at the end. It's beautiful. It's so well done. It's fun. He's with the bowler hat walking in and out rooms. And then his painting gets revealed.

Fish: 27:51

How the other the last painting.

Jackie: 27:53

Yeah. So they don't fit anywhere else. But yeah. And the deeper

Fish: 27:57

down the hole.

Nate: 27:58

They imply. He's that good. So

Jackie: 28:01

apparently on the DVD commentary, also, the director of states he has no idea how he stole it.

Nate: 28:08

Or at least he's honest.

Jackie: 28:09

And so it kind of feels like a lot of the movie where it's a bait and switch where the movie is taking your direction to the painting that he's returned instead.

Nate: 28:18

Yeah. And so the painting itself was a Monet and it's something at San

Fish: 28:27

Giorgio maggiore at dusk.

Nate: 28:29

Yeah. If you look it up, there's Monet, Pizarro and another artist, who are the first Impressionists and it goes back and forth. I found multiple sources that said Monet was the first impressionist, and another one that claimed Pizarro was the father of impressionism. The painting in the movie was not the first impressionist work. I think it was early 1900s by Monet, he did have I think, technically the first impressionist painting and it was like, I think it's called sunrise or sunset. And it was from like, 1874 ish. So I think there's some liberties with taken as well.

Cayleigh: 29:12

Wasn't even one thing that sort of like a receipt took me out of it, because it didn't, but it was something I noticed was how many works were definitely not at the Met. Yeah, granted, they don't outright say this is the mat, but we get establishing shots, we get it on their jacket, because I guess the Met did not give them permission. No, like us there.

Nate: 29:36

I think there's a disclaimer at the end of the movie. It's not intended to represent any specific Yeah, museum or exhibits or something like that, even though they show the outside of the mat. And it's,

Cayleigh: 29:47

yeah, yeah, so that was one thing that was interesting. But I also it was kind of fun too, because it was cool seeing all of these like, you know, very famous works all in one gallery. I don't think any of those works have been in the same gallery ever.

Nate: 30:01

No. So and the Van Gogh self portrait, are there multiple? Or is there only one?

Cayleigh: 30:07

I mean, he did multiple self portraits, but

Nate: 30:10

one in Chicago,

Cayleigh: 30:11

like the one that we saw in the movie, there's only one of that. Yeah.

Nate: 30:14

Okay. So that one's in Chicago at the Art Institute. The painting Monet's painting in the movie is actually I think, in a gallery or a, not a gallery, but like an art museum in Wales, I want to say. And the other ones are the same thing. They're spread around. They're from multiple different cities and stuff like that. So to have them all in one place would be pretty crazy.

Cayleigh: 30:36

And like, there was a room that was very distracting to me. There was like a cigar room like, like it was like the next room over there never in it, but like, or maybe they are but like briefly, but you see it the whole time. And Chicago Art Institute has tons of digger and I feel like the statue that's in that room is in Chicago in Chicago, so So

Fish: 30:58

the opinion that was stolen in the movie, I wanted to see if I could figure out how much it was worth or if it was sold. And I didn't dig too deep, but I couldn't find them. But one of the Monet's he was looking at the haystacks, was sold in 2019 for 110 million cheese.

Nate: 31:17

Also, at the Art Institute in Chicago, there are multiple versions of the haystacks as he did multiple paintings of different haystacks at different times a day. And they have multiple in one room. Yeah,

Jackie: 31:29

we had just seen those.

Cayleigh: 31:30

And like also to a lot of the stock travels as well. So like some of the stuff they showed doesn't have a home or maybe it did or but now it's traveling but like the the

Nate: 31:42

rene magrite. Yeah, the faceless businessman. I can't greet, remember what it's called

Jackie: 31:48

the son man.

Cayleigh: 31:49

Yeah. That one, I assume has a home but it travels a lot that they did a great show at the Art Institute that I went to. And like I say most of his stuff travels.

Jackie: 32:01

So apparently her last line in the movie, Rene Russo's last line is, I'll tell you why you pull a stunt like that, again, I'll break both your arms. It's apparently a reference to the Son of Man because one of the arms appears to be broken. Left one. Because I had to look that up. I was like, I don't know why she's starting to break his arms. But

Nate: 32:21

I'll make you into the painting you you attempt to

Jackie: 32:25

appreciate? Yeah. It feels like a silly line until you have that content.

Fish: 32:32

What about the the Pepsi one cameo?

Nate: 32:37

Oh, yeah, I call it out. I was like this dates, for sure.

Fish: 32:43

Just chugs the whole cake. Just like I see this hero. It's all this crime to bid to.

Nate: 32:51

So there's a lot of reasons that I love this movie soundtrack being one of them. Nina Simone, you know, and windmills of your mind is another that's they do windmills of your mind in the credits. And that's the sting stings version. But they do windmills of your mind in multiple different time air scenes in the movie. So when they're in black and white ball, they do a horn version of windmills of your mind. Earlier in the movie, you get a piano version of windmills in your mind, and you don't realize it's the same song throughout the movie. But a lot a lot of cool piano compositions in there too.

Cayleigh: 33:31

Which speaking of the black and white ball, I couldn't get it confirmed but it's a rumor that pops up a lot on the internet that the reason why he has his top button undone and his tie undone and a white bow tie is because when Bond actors do Bond films, they can't be like, do other movies and shows that show them in a full tuxedo.

Nate: 33:58

I believe that

Jackie: 33:59

interesting.

Cayleigh: 34:01

Your contract is up they can they can

Nate: 34:04

Yeah. When was cold my head? Oh no. 97

Jackie: 34:07

Yeah, the last time film was 2000 2002 Right.

Nate: 34:13

So this was right in the middle of his bond. Yeah,

Fish: 34:16

tenure. Yeah,

Cayleigh: 34:17

that's what I've that's what the internet very deeply argues is why he is like that

Jackie: 34:23

because it still feels very bond like so I could see that.

Nate: 34:27

And a random you know, occasionally I'll throw out good good watches as you have fish facts. So in this movie, interesting to in, in bond. And I think during this time to Pierce Brosnan was kind of like a spokesperson or brand rep for omega. And in this movie, the character wore Jaeger LeCoultre Reverso, which is the interesting part about that watch is it's like,

Fish: 34:55

is it the rectangular one?

Nate: 34:56

This is the rectangular one. And it's called a reverse so because it was developed by a rich person who played polo, so that they could reverse the watch and put the crystal on the inside so that it wouldn't get damaged during polo matches. So it's literally flips over and is reversible. Just interesting kind of, it's a rich person's watch designed by rich people for people. Like it's already like a nice Swiss watch. But it goes even beyond that, because it's like it was designed by somebody to play polo and not get broken. So they're not sure

Cayleigh: 35:35

about your watch enthusiasm, not related to this movie, but we're talking about watches. And you might be aware, have you heard of how there's some people that can't wear watches? Because like, they don't they get

Nate: 35:51

time braided? Yes,

Cayleigh: 35:53

that like there. There's something with their like, electricity. Field. Yeah, that's some people have like a thing where they can't wear watches. Yeah,

Nate: 36:05

it's, I don't yet. So mechanical watches, including the one in the movie. It was either I don't know if the reverse Oh is a wind up or if it's an automatic automatic, is wrist movement. And so as you're walking around at winds itself all day, those can get thrown out of whack with magnets. And so magnetic field or electricity. Supposedly, there are some people where where it'll screwed up. There are watches that are designed specifically to withstand up to 15,000 Gauss, which is more than an hour or more than an MRI machine. So in theory, you could wear a watch, and it wouldn't get screwed up by an MRI machine. Rolex makes one it's called the Milgauss. And there are some other Omega watches that are resist magnetic resistant up to a certain amount. That being said, I would never take a watch of that value near a giant magnet, right. But it's interesting because they have designed and they charge for it to add a zero to the price.

Jackie: 37:07

You already have this weird health condition but you have to then pay for an extra fancy watch.

Fish: 37:14

smartwatch,

Nate: 37:15

I would just wear a digital watch. Or look at your phone or an

Fish: 37:18

old like Casio calculator watch. So did anybody look up? Or does anybody know? If the edges of famous paintings are kept secret? Like they stated in the movie? Is there any truth to that?

Cayleigh: 37:31

I don't think it's secret. I think it's just practicality of how you're not going to see it out of the frame unless you see it out of the frame. And the general public

Nate: 37:42

isn't very few people who sees Yeah, but

Fish: 37:45

can you find pictures online of the full

Cayleigh: 37:47

online pictures online? wasn't a thing in 1999?

Fish: 37:50

Yeah, but is it? But nowadays,

Cayleigh: 37:52

nowadays, they probably

Fish: 37:54

So was it a thing back then that you could use? Like what they did? Hey, If this

Nate: 38:01

you know, painting was stolen?

Fish: 38:03

Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna look at these negatives to see, you know, see if the duplicate is just like, you know, the original.

Nate: 38:09

So I don't know if it's true, but it makes sense to me. So were you it feels

Fish: 38:13

right. I didn't have time. I was looking stuff up during dinner. Dinner wasn't long enough. To find that

Cayleigh: 38:22

I tried to drink I had a lot to say.

Fish: 38:26

Not enough. So no. But if anyone out there knows she doesn't email couples.

Nate: 38:33

And it makes sense. Because even now, like, the only people who are going to see paintings out of their frames are conservators, basically because I don't think they change frames out on classic paintings. I would have very often

Cayleigh: 38:45

now it wouldn't make sense, just because I would imagine that you can find them somewhere. Yeah. That they're probably taking high quality photos

Jackie: 38:56

outside of a frame.

Cayleigh: 38:57

Maybe I assume so. So that you could get the full

Jackie: 39:00

Yeah, just in case anything ever happens. So yeah,

Cayleigh: 39:03

what I just have a record of

Fish: 39:06

public and private though.

Cayleigh: 39:07

Well, yeah.

Nate: 39:09

What I do know, they create our books and catalogs on entire collections, like the definitive work so that people can go and look and say, Okay, this is the Jackson Pollock book of work. And this is the definitive book on the subject and it will have every painting that they that is known, it's documented. Kaley, you probably know a lot more about this than than I do. But I can tell you that they do it for guitars and other rare stuff like that too. Like vintage, very vintage guitars. Very expensive vintage guitars. There's like a book of just 1959 and 1960 les Paul's

Cayleigh: 39:54

collectible. How's that? Even me babies had that

Nate: 39:58

and it's all a lot of well A lot of you can find

Jackie: 40:00

out about Spice Girl Barbies

Cayleigh: 40:03

apparently not my Spice Girl Barbie was a fever dream for a long time. But yes, yes, it seems that collectors do be collecting that they take it very seriously and that there is even like, I think coins and stamps and stuff have very like, you know, like

Nate: 40:26

people who can make a living or who do make a living off of being the expert in one thing, right? Like, hey, I've got you know, I'm into a very specific artist, whether it's Warhol or Jackson Pollock or Monet or something, typically, even Manet or contemporary artists more it's like, oh, this person was their friend grew up with them whatever was around through the whole period and they'll you know, be called into identify unknown works that kind of thing

Cayleigh: 40:53

on Pawn Stars.

Nate: 40:54

Yeah.

Fish: 40:58

Going back to Pepsi one, it was actually around. I don't think I ever tried it.

Nate: 41:03

I definitely have.

Fish: 41:04

So I guess Pepsi just probably pay a lot for it to be in this film. But this film kind of coincided right when Pepsi one was coming out.

Jackie: 41:12

Was Pepsi one like a sugar free one again,

Nate: 41:14

one calorie. Okay.

Cayleigh: 41:16

I believe okay, this is

Jackie: 41:18

is that why coke did Coke Zero was one calorie.

Cayleigh: 41:23

Pepsi one Coke Zero. Even more recently, the 10 You know, Dr. Pepper, 10. And whatever is the whole shtick is and I believe Pepsi was like one of the first is that it's diet soda, but that it's marketed towards men. Because they found market research showed that men did not feel comfortable purchasing like Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi. Because they felt like it was more of a woman's product. And so that's why they put one calorie in it because it's not the same product. And then it has like

Jackie: 41:58

manly

Cayleigh: 41:58

Yeah. And it's still to this day, that's the that the way I learned that was like kind of like backwards and through. There was like some again, I can't remember. I can't I don't know what overall company but whoever owns like Dr. Pepper and stuff like that they have their 10 Calorie line and there was some commercial that was very overtly like this isn't for women. And it was recent, I remember that. And so then there was this whole like, you know, people talking about how like Pepsi one and Coke Zero and stuff like that. Coke Zero though, has a more a less misogynistic, more complicated history in that people like Diet Coke, so much for the taste and Diet Cokes taste isn't simply because it's a diet beverage it's modeled off of New Coke.

Nate: 42:46

Okay,

Cayleigh: 42:46

and so when they went back to classic coke diet soda drinkers were pissed because they preferred diet coke. And then Coke Zero is modeled after classic coke and so that's why Diet Coke and Coke Zero tastes differently and Coke Zero tastes more like interests are actually has a purpose for why they have to zero calorie lines. Pepsi

Nate: 43:11

was probably following

Cayleigh: 43:12

was because they wanted to market to men

Jackie: 43:16

but gender products are so 2000 90s night this was late 90s Yeah, but it makes sense that it was in this movie. Yeah.

Nate: 43:26

Anyway, anybody get freaked out by the glider scene would you do that yeah

Cayleigh: 43:30

it's it's an

Fish: 43:32

immediate yes I

Nate: 43:33

did not know they took off like that being towed by another plane

Fish: 43:37

took off

Nate: 43:38

it's a good question right in the back and just drop them off the back

Cayleigh: 43:43

if you ever in your mind are like I would really like to do a glider plane fly that surely if she just kill me Just kill me instead.

Fish: 43:52

What's what's going on?

Cayleigh: 43:54

Hi never get my whole life for even a moment.

Fish: 43:58

No but you said you're okay with like a smaller plane? No. Because you don't like all the people in a regular plane.

Nate: 44:05

A glider is not a plane yeah glider doesn't have an engine

Jackie: 44:08

way more fun.

Fish: 44:09

So you need an engine

Cayleigh: 44:13

are taking

Jackie: 44:14

the wild

Cayleigh: 44:15

over sation way out of context.

Jackie: 44:18

But you need an engine.

Cayleigh: 44:21

Yes, no, it's it's an immediate

Fish: 44:23

no big paper airplane. Yeah,

Nate: 44:25

yeah, but it's not paper.

Jackie: 44:27

I do not know those were same thing.

Cayleigh: 44:30

How was it

Nate: 44:30

illegal for another rich person to I think

Cayleigh: 44:33

I guess how does one even even become certified to operate such a thing you

Nate: 44:39

just have to be certified.

Cayleigh: 44:42

Worse.

Fish: 44:43

It looks pretty easy to fly like just

Nate: 44:45

like the like ultra lights and single person aircrafts. Like if you're flying yourself if it's under a certain size or if it's under a certain altitude. I don't think you need a license. Let's

Fish: 44:57

go do

Cayleigh: 44:57

that is horrifying.

Fish: 44:58

Let's go do it.

Nate: 45:01

Like, have you seen? You've seen like the parachutes with people like on a cart underneath with a fan on the back? Yeah. I don't think you need a license for that. No, I

Fish: 45:09

don't think so.

Cayleigh: 45:10

That's like it's different than this.

Nate: 45:14

Yeah, yeah. It kind of does. I mean, this one's not going very far with the

Cayleigh: 45:19

air balloon is different than a hot air balloon. Don't even ask

Jackie: 45:25

why it's so fun

Fish: 45:27

bungee jump off on them. I don't know if that would work. Why wouldn't

Jackie: 45:33

because they're moving.

Fish: 45:35

They're moving as a matter

Cayleigh: 45:37

of your jump would like Yeah,

Jackie: 45:39

I think it needs to be anchored

Nate: 45:41

to being somewhat high up. Yeah, you wouldn't get all the way down, I think it would work.

Fish: 45:49

100%

Jackie: 45:50

because there's too many variables. And they like a hot air balloon can't just stay put, right? It would

Nate: 45:57

decrease as you go down. But it's not going to go down at the same rate, they could

Fish: 46:00

give it a little thrust as you're falling to counter.

Nate: 46:03

You gotta you got to get up there to make sure that when you start pulling the balloon

Cayleigh: 46:08

got impaled on an antenna.

Jackie: 46:13

That's one of the bungee jump from a hot air balloon. And

Fish: 46:18

the answer is yes. Thank you, Jackie.

Nate: 46:20

Probably in New Zealand, you can do anything there.

Fish: 46:23

New Zealand,

Cayleigh: 46:24

just well, you can you can. You can just do it once for sure. Yeah.

Nate: 46:29

You do anything once?

Jackie: 46:32

Apparently, you can? Yes. Go for it, David.

Cayleigh: 46:35

I'll do it. I also would not do those catamaran things hanging off the edge.

Nate: 46:43

I would try a catamaran that was pretty cool.

Cayleigh: 46:46

Not like that. I'm like that guy in degree next and handbook. I was, um, there's a lot of things I'm not doing.

Fish: 46:56

So did anybody look up how long it would take? Because it was like, Oh, just a minute later. We're in like the Caribbean? Like what the? Yeah, it How should it take to fly from proximately? New York to the Caribbean? I

Nate: 47:08

think it's probably only like two and a half three hour flight.

Cayleigh: 47:11

Go faster than a commercial airline? I think so they're small and they can fly higher. Probably.

Fish: 47:18

I'm not going that fast.

Nate: 47:20

They're going pretty fast. Not as fast as you think.

Cayleigh: 47:23

How fast do you think you you say that? Like I have any sort of idea.

Fish: 47:29

I saw in your eyes. You were imagining really fast?

Nate: 47:36

So I don't think it's that long of a flight? No, but you would have she would have called it or they would have she would have known that they weren't going back to New York a lot sooner than seeing mountains at your window. You know, or the island. Again.

Cayleigh: 47:50

They didn't want us to believe she's very smart.

Nate: 47:54

Yeah. Not gonna touch it just gonna move on.

Jackie: 47:58

No, you said you had a lot of arguments,

Nate: 48:00

because I've already shut them all down.

Fish: 48:03

Destroy them.

Nate: 48:04

But that's fine. I still like the movie. When to look past it.

Cayleigh: 48:07

I would have been fine if they leaned into it. And he did end up fully besting her and like leaving her behind. Because then at least I would have been

Fish: 48:18

Baladi. That's pretty much what happens in the original.

Cayleigh: 48:21

Well, then that's now

Fish: 48:22

he just flies away. She's like, god dammit,

Cayleigh: 48:25

because I also I was like, girl really? Like I don't believe he's risking at all. And you're risking it all on the belief that he's risking it all. It's a stupid game you're playing. And then you know, I was wrong, but it's fine.

Fish: 48:39

But does this really say that, you know, in relationships, you really need to be built on trust, right? That's what

Jackie: 48:46

I was waiting for Nate to say that was his.

Nate: 48:49

That was my argument the other day. Yes. It's all based on trust. And he found his equal in

Jackie: 48:58

equal

Nate: 49:02

in and that's the whole therapist seat with Faye Dunaway to the has somebody

Fish: 49:06

she's a therapist.

Nate: 49:09

She keeps talking like over him like, regardless of

Fish: 49:11

what she's talking laugh, and she's like, Ah, what a fucking ridiculous somebody

Nate: 49:18

you're stuck now.

Fish: 49:19

Damn, what a therapist. Maybe that's what he's pays for, though. Because like, no one would really talk to him like that. And day to day and

Cayleigh: 49:26

I have a sycophant around. Yeah,

Nate: 49:29

but it is very much trust. And I I agree, though, that there are problems with the way she's written. And the way they show or tell you things instead of show

Jackie: 49:38

like by the end, would you want to be dating her?

Nate: 49:41

I don't know. Probably.

Fish: 49:43

Well, she got a $5 million paycheck. Yeah.

Cayleigh: 49:47

She's got

Nate: 49:50

the point that I took from it, or what I took from it is that he went through all of this exercise to make sure that he could trust her and by her show Showing up at the Hala port and everything showed that she was in it for him.

Fish: 50:05

His his his argument of being photographed with her seemed maybe a little shallow because yeah, it's not like they were dating anyways, where they I don't even know. And she she should expect him to be like a playboy anyways, isn't that as like Mo is like a playboy?

Cayleigh: 50:23

I would again I would have again leaning into this I kind of wanted her to be like so a little bit more like surly let me be a little bit more dry and like a little bit more stabbing. Yeah, I would have loved her reaction to the photograph to be like, Yeah, I don't give a fuck yeah. And then have him be like, shit. Yeah. Stone Cold.

Jackie: 50:49

I agree. Instead, instead, she gets into like, full on clingy mode. Yeah.

Fish: 50:53

I was lost my train of thought. All right.

Nate: 50:56

Well, you we gather in

Fish: 50:58

many camping trips.

Nate: 50:58

It's on my bucket list to go to Martinique. That's the island and the film.

Cayleigh: 51:03

Oh, I was gonna ask if anybody knew where they are.

Nate: 51:05

It's it's I believe it's filmed on Martinique. And it's in the Caribbean.

Fish: 51:09

Can you rent the villa?

Nate: 51:11

I don't know.

Fish: 51:13

b&b right now?

Nate: 51:13

I think at the time, I think it was a private house that they got permission to use for filming. I know that the Shelby GT 500 is owned by somebody on the island. They did not they use that they didn't fly that they found that car on the island and rented it from the person or you know, whatever.

Fish: 51:33

Maybe that's why they had to change that scene where she had to happen because he's like the doors well did I wonder if it was just custom welded?

Nate: 51:41

I think it is and it was a I think it's a real I don't I can't remember if it's a Kickstarter or if it's a legit 6760s yet

Cayleigh: 51:50

because collectors are very

Fish: 51:52

obsessed with their model

Cayleigh: 51:54

that yeah, they don't that like I guess is a point of contention with this movie as a car collectors very much just like

Jackie: 52:01

like Roadhouse

Nate: 52:02

look. And it's a it's a rare car. They did it for like 6768 Ford made that and that was it. And so that car has been used or that model of car has been used as plot points in other movies like gone in 60 seconds. That's the holy grail of stolen color.

Fish: 52:21

You sell that car, Eleanor. And what's that movie that we saw? There wasn't was a Ford versus Ferrari or what was it?

Cayleigh: 52:30

Oh, maybe?

Fish: 52:32

Yeah, he like was riding around and in one of those cars,

Cayleigh: 52:36

I believe,

Nate: 52:36

like on the street. Yeah.

Fish: 52:38

I think I think Damon was playing Carroll Shelby. I think he was in driving that like, look, look what I built.

Cayleigh: 52:47

That's like very if that is owned by some person who they just rented it from and yadda yadda

Nate: 52:54

probably the person who owned the villa.

Cayleigh: 52:56

Right? I was just gonna say they have serious fuck you money because there's something wild about being so wealthy that you can not only own a very rare prestigious item, but then like, ruin it. It's it's giving very like Olsen twins who have their Birkin bags, but they treat it like it's a Jansport and like, you'll see photographs of them with these like $40,000 handbags that you have to be on a list to get even if you get $40,000 You can't just walk in to hermes and buy a Birkin Yeah, it's a status symbol for sure but there's photos of them and it's like destroyed the letter leather scratched they have like a water bottle in it like

Fish: 53:37

seeking some good use out of it.

Jackie: 53:39

Yeah,

Cayleigh: 53:39

well that's sorted but that's like that's like the status symbol of itself not owning a Birkin but beating the hell out Yeah, treat it like in a rare bag, but chopping it apart and welding the door shot. Yeah, that is actually plays into his character even more.

Fish: 53:59

In the spare tire on the back. I don't think that was part of the original.

Nate: 54:04

I don't even think Ford offered a package for them. Yeah.

Fish: 54:09

All right. Might be a good time to wrap it up.

Nate: 54:11

Yeah. Final thoughts.

Cayleigh: 54:14

Um, I liked it. I would watch it again. I haven't seen the original. But it sounds like the changes that they made to it. elevate it. It's very fun. I like all the references to fine art. I don't think it was a throwaway aspect of like, oh, let's just have them steal art instead of Rob, thanks to the light combat, they really leaned all the way in and I loved that. And another thing that I had saw was that the bowler hat scene was like sort of in reference to a scene at the end of North by Northwest when they're in a train station with red hats, but so I loved that about it. And again, like I mean, we're dramatic for the, you know, point of this pod for your entertainment listeners. But I'm not that mad at my criticism. arms of, you know, Catherine, I again, I think the movie could be improved by making her a more believable character. What's interesting is I guess there is very serious talks of them doing another remake of this movie with Michael B. Jordan and playing Thomas Crown, Dominique. So I wonder if maybe in this day and age in this life, they would maybe take better care with that. Before the I believe they weren't ready. Yeah. In the cat and mouse. So that's really my only criticism. Another thing that I saw, so I think we've talked about it before, but in case it's a bombshell to any listeners, I have never seen a James Bond film in my life. One thing that I kept seeing on message boards that piqued my interest was that they felt like other than Golden Eye. Pierce Brosnan felt more like James Bond in this movie than in any of his Bond movies, except for potentially Golden Eye. But even some naysayers say, even GoldenEye. He feels more like bond in this movie, and that he should have played his bond like this one. And then that went into an interesting debate that I guess Pierce Brosnan wanted after Golden Eye, his Bond movies to take a darker turn. Okay. And that the producers and directors and every all the powers that be are like, No, fuck you, we're not doing that. And so that that perhaps would explain any problems that there are with his subsequent movies. And that Daniel Craig was the opposite. He wanted to go back to the bond routes where it's more witty, and there's like some light heartedness. But also he's a badass five. And they were like, no dark and gritty.

Nate: 56:48

We're going dark.

Cayleigh: 56:49

Yeah. And so it's just interesting. If there's that dichotomy, like right after one another, but anyway,

Fish: 56:53

yeah, it's a it's a pretty fun movie. I enjoy and enjoyed it. Yeah, there's some things you can kind of pick apart here and there, but it's like with most movies, but for a 1999 movie, enjoy it for what it is.

Jackie: 57:07

I would also watch it again. I really did enjoy the movie. You know, despite my criticisms of the woman was portrayed.

Cayleigh: 57:15

We're used to having to overlook such thing.

Jackie: 57:17

Yeah, that's very true. 90s and I get if they do remake it, I really think they would fix that.

Cayleigh: 57:27

Sure. Hope so. It may be we need to send this episode. What's his face?

Jackie: 57:34

That guy? Yeah. Yeah, I really do think they could do the love story better because I disagree. Kaylee, I wouldn't like the ending to be her left alone. No, I like I love the love store.

Cayleigh: 57:48

How she is yes. If we if we're not making any changes, the way I would fix it is he's not actually in love with her because this lady's crazy. Yeah. I don't want to turn that way. I want them to have the like to love her. Cat and Mouse.

Jackie: 58:04

Yeah. But she needs to be a worthy adversary. Like, because as she is now not convinced to it fall for her.

Cayleigh: 58:12

I think that chemistry No, I didn't when they were having sex and apparently supposed to be like one of the best sex scenes in movies of the 90s. And that people on the staircase out there, their VHS tapes on that one. I felt uncomfortable because I'm like, This is so like, weird and comical and forced. And she's like, Ha ha ha, I'm like, No, don't fall off.

Jackie: 58:40

The positive parts of the movie. I was grinning during that last scene with the bowler hats or he's, you know, he's basically pulling the Son of Man painting. And he's this businessman that's blending in. You can't quite see his face. So I really liked how they did that whole scene. I found that entertaining. One more weird criticism that I we didn't talk about earlier. When she goes in kisses Denis Leary.

Nate: 59:07

Full on kisses. It was

Fish: 59:09

like a couple kisses a kiss.

Cayleigh: 59:11

I yeah, I don't I don't she does not seem she she needs to go pay a visit to Faye Dunaway

Jackie: 59:20

felt like that came out of nowhere. He's like supportively Yeah,

Cayleigh: 59:24

yes. Yes. Girlfriend, you need to sort out your priorities.

Jackie: 59:29

Mostly. I just don't know why they put that into the movie,

Cayleigh: 59:31

right? No, I don't know what is supposed to tell us from those storytelling.

Jackie: 59:34

That was dumb. Maybe just give him a little more action? I don't know. I don't know. But anyway, I would watch it again.

Nate: 59:41

Nice. Alright, so I'll go in in reverse order. So I agree. Jackie on the kiss with Denis Leary. Like a deep hug and saying you're a good man and then going away would have been would have been perfect.

Jackie: 59:57

Sorry. I don't mean to cut you off for why they even need that? Why didn't she just back out and they didn't even they didn't even need to interact again because

Fish: 1:00:04

right wasn't that right after he's like, you know, I don't care.

Nate: 1:00:09

Yeah, he tried to open up and

Fish: 1:00:11

like, I don't care that you know, rich people are stealing paintings. Yeah, you know, I've got better things to do. I'm gonna you

Jackie: 1:00:18

could have done like he glanced her leaving. I was like, okay. Oh, well.

Cayleigh: 1:00:22

Yeah, I don't know

Jackie: 1:00:23

that I yeah, that Why'd they need that little interaction like

Cayleigh: 1:00:27

bonded in the diner scene because it reminded me of an episode of SpongeBob where she was like, oh, like earlier she says like, I'm fine. And then he finds her in the diner and he comes up to her and he was like, I was fine one Yeah. Really, really poor soul there.

Fish: 1:00:52

And then he's fucking left. He's like, peace.

Cayleigh: 1:00:56

They were trying to convey that like, oh, you know, he really?

Jackie: 1:01:01

He understands.

Cayleigh: 1:01:02

Yeah, like, like they they bonded? And you know, but I don't kiss everyone on the lips. I bombed. Yeah.

Fish: 1:01:13

Oh, maybe because she's been living in Europe for a while.

Jackie: 1:01:15

No.

Fish: 1:01:17

You know, there's just like, different, you know, different traditions. And

Nate: 1:01:21

now, alright. So yeah, I really liked this movie. I will watch it multiple times. Again. Everything from the cool home in New York, the the art museum scenes, the theft, like the heist and the, you know, what are the twists of the movie, saying that it's kind of what James Bond should have been are portrayed as kind of hits the mark. I mean, he like, you're like, Damn, that guy's cool. That that is. That is a cool character to the James Bond comments.

Fish: 1:01:57

Can I say something real quick?

Nate: 1:01:58

Yeah,

Fish: 1:01:58

I feel it's like James Bond when he's off the clock. Yeah, right. Some

Cayleigh: 1:02:02

people suggested that this movie is that like Guy, either James Bond is his pseudonym. And this is the real him or this is his secret life when he's not busy. Who is happening?

Fish: 1:02:14

I mean, he's got to have downtime.

Nate: 1:02:16

In some of the Daniel Craig ones. They show him having downtime. And he is like jet setting and, and living this life like, like with a visa and all this these places that you're like, oh, yeah, that's where James Bond would hang out if he's not, you know, Licensed to Kill. I think Pierce Brosnan had his best Bond movie and GoldenEye. And I think it went downhill a little bit after that. I don't know that it was all Pierce Brosnan and I think it was some of the storylines and the writing. But it was a notable tone shift from Pierce Brosnan to Daniel Craig.

Fish: 1:02:53

Considering this is a favorite movie of yours. Nate. Have you considered the James Bond connection before this point, or

Nate: 1:03:00

I had not been around the same timeline and stuff like that? I don't know why I hadn't but I had not

Fish: 1:03:07

you were too close.

Cayleigh: 1:03:08

How did we not bring up the one museum proctor? Who just like when they're getting me like how's that retrievable?

Nate: 1:03:19

That's a cattle prod. Shock thing. Yeah, and I wouldn't be a PC. My other the other character that I really liked in the movie is the other detective where he's just like, Denis Leary's part Oh, where he's just like to Peretti Yeah, he's, he's just like, he's very supportive. Catherine, he's just like a hell of a party. Yeah, he's

Fish: 1:03:41

just laughing the whole time. He's having a good time. Yeah.

Cayleigh: 1:03:46

With that, yeah. We will go to a quick break. When we come back. We'll talk about The Italian Job. are back and we will look at a plot for the Italian Job.

Jackie: 1:04:11

A team of professionals led by safecracker John Bridger is assembled to steal $35 million worth of gold bars from a safe and Venice John is getting ready to retire and pass on the torch to his protege, Charlie. The high succeeds but on the getaway route, they are double crossed by Steve, a member of their team. Steve kills John and believes he kills the rest of the team after their van plunges into icy water. The team escapes and a year later are ready to take revenge. Charlie and LIS John's daughter Stella, who is also an expert safecracker. Meanwhile, Steve is laundering the gold bars dirty Ukrainian jeweler, but when the jeweler admits he knows how Steve got the gold. Steve kills him, angering the man's cousin, the leader of a Ukrainian crime family Still attempts to distract Steve on a date but accidentally reveals that she is John's daughter. Charlie shows up to help her and Steve mocks them saying they will never get the goal. Steve concocts an elaborate plan to get the goal to Mexico but the team's tech expert is able to identify which armored truck is carrying the goal. They pull a trick similar to what they had done in Venice and move all the gold to Mini Coopers resulting in a massive car chase. The final showdown takes place in the Union Station where Steve is greeted by the mob boss who has promised some gold and Steve in exchange for help. The crew celebrates with their fortunes and Stella and Charlie had the best together.

Fish: 1:05:40

Fish fat fish FX Dalian released on May 30 2003, and with a budget of around 60 million went on to make over 176 million. Directed by F Gary Gray Screenplay by Donna and Wayne powers, starring Mark Wahlberg, Charlize Theron, Edward Norton, Seth Green, Jason state, the most def, Frankie G and Donald Sutherland.

Jackie: 1:06:06

So also a remake. But the original was a comedy.

Cayleigh: 1:06:11

Yes, what it seems like and for my understanding the screenwriters for this one purposely did not watch the original. So they watched it like once after they had written it just they would be aware of like it, but they wanted to write their own thing completely interesting.

Fish: 1:06:31

They knew nothing of the original

Cayleigh: 1:06:33

note like they knew the basis of it because they were basing it on it but they purposely didn't watch it because they didn't want to like take Yeah, you know,

Jackie: 1:06:42

yeah, do shots

Fish: 1:06:44

on Omar's

Cayleigh: 1:06:45

Yeah, and they didn't want to like accidentally end up making it too much like the originally they wanted to be able to do their own thing.

Fish: 1:06:52

No original story. Yeah,

Jackie: 1:06:53

yeah. Yeah, this is definitely not a comedy. So I am curious what the comedy version would look like.

Cayleigh: 1:07:00

I want to watch it just because one I prefer vintage Mini Coopers to modern Mini Coopers, and to the guy I forget the actor's name but the dude from Miss Congeniality is a lead in it. That her coach for the pageant?

Jackie: 1:07:19

Oh, it's not Michael Caine. Is it?

Nate: 1:07:21

Yeah.

Jackie: 1:07:22

Okay. It's my Yeah, yeah. Please may know him from the Batman's.

Nate: 1:07:27

So why my dad's had a vintage Mini Cooper back in in the day he drove it when it was. I don't know if they had it in the 60s or 70s 70s. Probably. But he said it was a lot of fun to drive. He talks about it fondly, and it will turn on a dime. Oh, yeah. And so I don't know if the new ones maybe the ones in the movie, and the early Mini Coopers the new ones held up to that. I don't know if they still do.

Jackie: 1:07:53

My next door neighbor growing up had a mini mini cooper.

Fish: 1:07:57

No, no one album.

Jackie: 1:07:58

I think it was a newer one.

Nate: 1:08:00

Yeah, probably. You

Fish: 1:08:01

don't really see any old ones anymore. Yeah,

Nate: 1:08:03

not around here. Maybe in the UK. Yeah.

Cayleigh: 1:08:06

Let's have one shipped over.

Fish: 1:08:08

Ship it. Speaking about minis they use 32 Mini Coopers throughout filming. And they're getting banged up and beat up.

Nate: 1:08:17

I read also that at least some of the 32 were electric because LA they actually they actually filmed in the subway tunnels in LA and they didn't want the exhaust fumes down there. The city didn't Yeah,

Fish: 1:08:33

or just yeah, like leaking fluids and stuff. There was at least two I think electrics.

Nate: 1:08:40

So Has everybody seen this movie before?

Cayleigh: 1:08:43

I had? Not

Nate: 1:08:44

yet not.

Fish: 1:08:44

I have.

Nate: 1:08:46

I had as well. Alright, seen it many, many times. Many,

Fish: 1:08:49

many times. times, many times.

Jackie: 1:08:51

Thanks. Someone likes heist movies?

Nate: 1:08:53

I think so.

Fish: 1:08:54

You like the ocean's movies?

Nate: 1:08:55

seen those many times too?

Fish: 1:08:57

What about the newer? There's a female

Nate: 1:09:00

Ocean's eight in theaters. That was a

Fish: 1:09:03

good guy you like

Nate: 1:09:06

similar to the new Ghostbusters? I think it got an undeserved amount of shade thrown on

Fish: 1:09:14

the new female. Yeah, forward. Ghostbusters. Yeah.

Nate: 1:09:19

Which I think it got a lot of criticism that was undeserved because it was a female cast, honestly. And they it was a fun movie. Like Ocean's eight was a fun movie.

Jackie: 1:09:33

Yeah, very similar formula.

Nate: 1:09:34

Yeah, it's and it's the Danny Ocean and rusty characters. Brad Pitt and George Clooney, you know, have that almost, they're not breaking the fourth wall, but it's very much that that type of comedy where they had that same relationship with two of the main characters in Ocean's eight, almost identical formula, so it's like it was a good movie. I Like, I would watch it again.

Cayleigh: 1:10:01

I haven't seen any of these movies

Nate: 1:10:03

I like

Fish: 1:10:04

yes, we've determined the likes that

Jackie: 1:10:07

I'm Kaylee does not.

Cayleigh: 1:10:09

I just haven't I think again, I think people meet me and then they immediately have a lot of assumptions about me, including my own family. And so I have not been shown these pieces of media

Jackie: 1:10:19

so people think you don't like them. And that's why you haven't seen them. Yeah.

Cayleigh: 1:10:22

And I believe them. I'm like, Oh, I've been told that

Fish: 1:10:25

self fulfilling prophecy

Cayleigh: 1:10:27

because like I say, I mean this movie. I can't give it a fair review because I burnt the EverLiving shit out of my son less than an hour before we are like an hour before we started like blistered and everything man like it literally was one of those like,

Nate: 1:10:45

get yourself bad.

Cayleigh: 1:10:46

Yeah, like it blistered. I've never had a burn blister before. And like, if I would take it out of cool water, it would like immediately feel like burning like seven on the pain scale like immediately so I was like sitting there with my little cup of water.

Jackie: 1:11:04

Trying to distract yourself.

Nate: 1:11:05

You liked Thomas Crown Affair. Did you find this at least entertaining?

Cayleigh: 1:11:08

Yeah. So I there was aspects of it that I mean, how do I put this like, I liked Charlize Theron's character. I liked the dynamic. I liked her kind of taking up her father's work, but playing it straight and her being like, Oh, I don't want to see what's in the safe. I never looked. I felt like Her chemistry with Mark Wahlberg was like fine. Like I believed it. I'm here for good. I'm not like fallen over for it. But it was

Jackie: 1:11:38

And it's a side plot anyway. it worked for me.

Cayleigh: 1:11:41

Yeah, exactly.

Jackie: 1:11:42

It's stuff that you draw

Cayleigh: 1:11:43

either which I think is good. Yeah. So I liked it from that aspect. I feel like I will say that people assume this about me. And they have been proven correctly. The action and action movies is not enough for me having a helicopter chase a car in like, like be on the ground helicopter

Fish: 1:12:03

car standoff.

Cayleigh: 1:12:06

That's not that's not that's not why

Jackie: 1:12:09

Shut up Dorans whole character that not to totally derail?

Cayleigh: 1:12:14

No, you're fine.

Jackie: 1:12:14

Just feels strange. Anyway, like the helicopters, like he doesn't fit in with the rest of the cast. What's

Cayleigh: 1:12:20

interesting about that, is that has a very good exploit. Not good explanation, but a very, okay, explanation. Edward Norton had signed a contract with whatever company does did this. I don't know if it's paramount, or whoever owns this IP.

Nate: 1:12:37

Was he under a number of pictures,

Cayleigh: 1:12:39

pictures with them. And he kept turning down scripts, because he kept turning stuff down. And they sent him this one and basically, they forced him

Jackie: 1:12:47

they got him.

Cayleigh: 1:12:49

And so he was apparently a giant fucking asshole on set. Oh, he was mean to everyone. He made it a point to make sure that everybody had a miserable time working with him because he was having a miserable time being there. Then when it was a box office success. The director, producer arrow, someone high up gave like the cast gifts like Oh, congratulations, like, this is blowing up. Great job. And then he gave his gift back. And he said, give this to someone you actually like, or better yet someone who actually likes you.

Nate: 1:13:17

Wow.

Jackie: 1:13:18

Dang.

Cayleigh: 1:13:19

Yeah. So I think he was trying to make the scenes weird,

Jackie: 1:13:23

really? That character and technical? Like, yeah, betraying his own team?

Nate: 1:13:28

Yeah. So I don't I don't agree with the number of picture deals that people they I think people still sign them. I don't think they're as prevalent as they once were. Actors back in the day, used to get locked into a studio and their whole career could be spent there. Right. So they could sign a 20 picture deal with MGM right. And no shade MGM and happened with all of them. Yeah, but they could. They could Stonewall the characters or the actor's career, they could say, Okay, you're in a 20 picture, exclusive deal with us, you can't work anywhere else. And where we don't have anything that that fits you right now. So I'm surprised that even as recent as this that people have been stuck in like, Edward Norton's not a small name, right. And he was in a three picture deal, right? But that's no reason to treat the rest of the cast who had no, exactly, you know, no part in making you be there for three movies, or the director.

Cayleigh: 1:14:31

I'm usually not wanting to say this, but like, he signed it. Yeah. You say you gave permission that this was the deal that you were find to be cut? Yep. And then you were very difficult to work with the fact that they kept offering a lot of these actors who get locked, like you said, don't even get offered scripts.

Nate: 1:14:48

fired his agent, too.

Cayleigh: 1:14:50

Right. He was offered enough scripts that they were like, you have to do this one. Yeah. So anywho that is

Jackie: 1:15:00

that's fascinating.

Cayleigh: 1:15:01

Yeah. So because I kind of felt similarly that I was like everyone else it's a fun movie and it's funny and it's more playful it doesn't take itself too seriously, but I felt like he was going a little bit too far

Jackie: 1:15:15

tamping it up

Nate: 1:15:16

yeah fans out is a different vibe right from tone and the chemistry between Mark Wahlberg most stuff Jason Statham is solid and Charlize Theron

Jackie: 1:15:30

Seth Green

Nate: 1:15:31

knew I was forgetting some

Jackie: 1:15:32

Napster that's

Fish: 1:15:33

great. The Napster

Cayleigh: 1:15:35

Yeah, he's quite delightful and less movie. He's funny.

Jackie: 1:15:40

He's delightful and most things he does yes liked him and Buffy.

Nate: 1:15:43

They do make the side comments in the movies like he's like I'm the Napster and Jason state that I think has the lines like they would have shut you down to they just shut him down.

Fish: 1:15:54

That's one of the things that definitely dates the movie is how many times they mentioned.

Jackie: 1:16:00

Oh, I love

Fish: 1:16:00

to guarantee no. Kids know about Napster?

Cayleigh: 1:16:04

Is it true that the guy in the quick scene that we have him napping and he steals the disk that that is the creator of Napster who he played himself? I did I thought I had read that he did a cameo for that but I'm not paused

Jackie: 1:16:19

that'd be pretty funny.

Cayleigh: 1:16:20

I hope that it was true. Even just got it off of one of the trivia facts on IMDb because when I searched Italian jobs so that's one issue not issue but that's one interesting thing about this movie is that it is such a pop culture thing. That anything that's a heist anything that's a Mini Cooper anything that's you know, whatever. It you can reference the Italian Job and the Internet absolutely does. Yeah. So

Nate: 1:16:48

so you get pulled a lot of different directions. Yes, you get a wide wide array of search results.

Fish: 1:16:56

So I think Shawn Fanning was in The Italian Job. And him and Sean Parker are the cofounders of Napster. I think most people know Sean Parker is the face of Napster. But I think Shawn Fanning was the other guy. It looks like Shawn Fanning was the guy who

Jackie: 1:17:15

seems legit. That's fine. Yeah, that's

Nate: 1:17:17

a layer. I love how he's like leaning over and while they sleep, pulls out the floppy disk, and you're just like, oh, man,

Cayleigh: 1:17:25

I love that too. Because it's like they had their blessing for that story. Yeah, I had a good sense of humor about Yeah, yeah.

Fish: 1:17:32

Sean Parker's worth 2.8 billion.

Nate: 1:17:37

What else has he done? It's more Yeah, Napster.

Jackie: 1:17:40

Napster was great.

Cayleigh: 1:17:41

My neighbor growing up, he would come over all the time. Not in I mean, not that he was uninvited. But like, he would just my brother would be asleep. And I would come downstairs on a Saturday morning and find him on our couch watching television, because he had just let himself in to hang out. And mostly, I think it was because we got a computer earlier, and we got the internet earlier. And so he transitioned from coming over to watch television into coming over. And I mean, he would if he wasn't at school, or at something where he needed to be he was at our house in our computer room on Napster, downloading songs, and I think it was almost an addiction. It wasn't it was more like, it wasn't like, Oh, I like I mean, he did like music and he was getting music he liked but sometimes you'd be like, Kaylee, what's a song that I should download? Yeah, it was like almost like a

Nate: 1:18:38

challenge to find it. Yeah.

Jackie: 1:18:42

The same thing,

Nate: 1:18:42

unique versions and bootlegs and all kinds of stuff. Yeah.

Jackie: 1:18:47

So apparently, he went on. He started working with Spotify a bit.

Cayleigh: 1:18:51

Oh, interesting.

Jackie: 1:18:52

And he served on their board until 2017. Wow. He also had some tie to Facebook.

Fish: 1:18:57

Yeah. So I remember that from the the Facebook movie to

Nate: 1:19:01

the social network.

Fish: 1:19:02

Yeah. Cuz he, I think, didn't Justin Timberlake played him, I think Oh, okay. Drop the

Nate: 1:19:11

right. Then he was probably an early investor or something. And that's yeah, he

Fish: 1:19:14

was given stock in 2003.

Nate: 1:19:16

Yeah, that's probably why he's worth 2.8 billion.

Fish: 1:19:21

Yeah. And he's gone on to do other things. I guess he's like, the Anthropocene and stuff.

Jackie: 1:19:26

Got a few foundations. He's on the board of Obama Foundation.

Fish: 1:19:31

I guess. A lot of the actors were doing their own driving.

Nate: 1:19:36

Oh, yeah, that's what I saw too. And the other Mini Cooper thing is one of or a couple, maybe one or a couple of the Mini Coopers had two steering wheels. Yeah, so that a professional stunt driver could control the car, and they could film The actor in the driver's seat. Which is pretty crazy because Some of the stuff that they were doing, like to have a driver on the other side of the car doing those stunts. You gotta be good. Yeah. So from

Jackie: 1:20:09

what I was reading the Mini Coopers are also part of the original. And for the 50th anniversary of the original, they in this was 2019. Then there were some drivers that recreated parts of the car chase around the grounds of Mini Coopers Oxford factories.

Fish: 1:20:28

I guess the cast said that. Charlize Theron was the best driver out of all of them.

Nate: 1:20:33

Which is Yeah, yeah, that's cool. She had a lot of like, behind the wheel camera time. icon on in the movie like on screen camera time.

Cayleigh: 1:20:43

Something about her driving in Mini Cooper all I could think, Mister F

Jackie: 1:20:49

Yes. Yeah.

Nate: 1:20:55

I forgot she did that.

Jackie: 1:20:56

I did not. What is that? That's why I've always loved her arrested.

Nate: 1:21:01

Her character in that. Oh, you're

Jackie: 1:21:06

priceless. She's fantastic.

Cayleigh: 1:21:10

We've written wouldn't go to a Wii Britain though. Why is that not a thing? Here we go have tea and walk around. Little.

Nate: 1:21:25

Little Big Ben. Yeah, that's funny. Yeah, I think the the first one of the first scenes you get with Charlize Theron after The Italian Job goes badly and Steve steals the money. Is her parking the Mini Cooper in that really, really tiny spot. That's yeah. Too small for a for any other car.

Fish: 1:21:47

Yeah. Just had a power slide in there. Yeah.

Cayleigh: 1:21:50

No, I loved her character in this. I mean, she's great. I never met Charlize throne. character that I didn't like, but even just the way they handled her storyline, I it was how to put this we've talked in other situations where again, you know, Kaylee rewrites the movie because that's what I do. Where I'm like, Wouldn't it be cool if, like, you know, this was their, his daughter took up their work, whatever. So this actually actualized that trope that I've been pushing on all of these movies. Yeah. And I liked that. It was it was well done. It was fun and light enough that I forgave the fact that it was so predictable that that line even was just so like, Oh my God. I have to do it by you know, by time. Yeah. Yeah. I knew as soon as she was like, Oh, I do you know, this way because you know, it's results and faster. And Baba Baba, she was gonna have to Yeah, oh, she has to like, Gosh, darn. It has to do the way daddy did. Yeah. But I liked it. It was it was it was more like, this is fun. And we're just here to have a good time. And so we want to see that we want to tie it back and put a bow on it rather than like, Are you kidding me?

Jackie: 1:23:09

And she has more parts to it. That's what I liked is like they you know, she goes in and plays the cable guy, right? Yes.

Cayleigh: 1:23:17

And she was a total again, more. We're not gonna go there yet. But yeah, I loved her. She handled herself. This, you know, because again, she's not. She's not heisting, professionally. Yeah, she's just safecracking with her nose clean for the good guys. Yep. So the fact that she would, they showed us her, you know, putting on just skies and being sneaky. And that I believed it. I bought it. She's part of the mission. I bought her as a competent badass.

Fish: 1:23:48

Yes, I have a question. And I don't remember if it was explained in the movie, or if it wasn't, but so during the latter part of the movie when she's going on a date with him, and they're planning to steal the gold while she's on the date. At what point did they scrub that mission because they all ended up in the restaurant, like out of the blue neighbor,

Nate: 1:24:11

Steve's neighbor was having a party. And in typical, like, Hollywood, or LA Fashion, the streets are small and curvy. And all the houses are kind of the driveways are up hills. So they had a ton of people in the street. They couldn't very well heist the goal that night, or blow the gate open. That's what they were going to do with all these people on the street. So they scrubbed it, she was gonna stand them up and help steal the gold. And that's where at the end, they're like, We can't do it tonight. It's going to be too loud. There's too many people also. Yeah, so you gotta go to the date and you gotta be charming because you need him to ask you out again.

Fish: 1:24:47

I guess I just forgot that part. But that makes sense now, and then she got ousted.

Nate: 1:24:53

Yeah, yes, outed.

Fish: 1:24:55

Yeah. That's what was the line she said that or father's would say, a devil in your something devil in your heart. No, it's

Nate: 1:25:05

trust. Yeah, I trust everybody or Yeah, I trust everybody, but I don't trust the devil inside. Yeah. Or as the devil inside them that I don't trust. Yeah. Yeah with her plan the the cable repair person they the scene with Jason Statham and Seth Green sitting in the car when Jason Statham goes up to the cable repair girl and starts hitting on her. I don't know if that was ad libbed for Seth Green. But that that whole dialogue piece is hilarious

Cayleigh: 1:25:37

was because I read that there was many takes of different

Nate: 1:25:43

like different versions just him just going on and

Cayleigh: 1:25:46

the director was like in tears from all like all of the improv

Fish: 1:25:53

was Jason Statham is just kind of coming on. Going on. Yeah. Kayleigh doesn't know who that is.

Cayleigh: 1:25:59

I have never seen that man in my life. I've

Nate: 1:26:01

ever seen the transporter.

Cayleigh: 1:26:02

No, I don't even know what that is.

Fish: 1:26:04

Okay. Transports things

Nate: 1:26:06

he's been in.

Jackie: 1:26:08

Yeah. What else?

Nate: 1:26:08

He's been in movies with Sylvester Stallone,

Fish: 1:26:11

a lot of action. A lot of actions driving movies. Yeah. Chase movies.

Nate: 1:26:15

transporter is

Fish: 1:26:17

movies. Kayleigh doesn't care for Yeah, the transporter I

Cayleigh: 1:26:20

don't know he's ever seen.

Nate: 1:26:21

I think the transporter is really where he stood on his own. And got to be like, really well known. Yeah. And basically he was he's a driver. Somebody asked him to transport something, right? He doesn't know what it is. They tell him he's not allowed to look at it. So he follows the rules and everything until the package starts making noise.

Cayleigh: 1:26:43

I love okay, like I guess that there's probably learned text that I'm missing but without context, you're like, he's a driver. So he moves people or things? Yes. As opposed to what

Nate: 1:27:00

good point he's a very serious driver.

Jackie: 1:27:06

I've seen him on anything other than this either.

Cayleigh: 1:27:08

David was like naming as the you know, Intro credits of like, all the big names is going and demons and like naming each one like, oh my gosh, oh my gosh. And they that one and I was like, Who's that? And he's like, you know, he's like an action movies is like, you know, British. She's like, got his head shaved. I was like, I don't know. And then when he came on David's like that guy. Yep. I've never seen that man in my life.

Fish: 1:27:33

You still haven't.

Cayleigh: 1:27:34

I have. I seen him now.

Jackie: 1:27:38

It took me a minute to remember where I knew Donald Sutherland from Hunger Games.

Cayleigh: 1:27:44

Oh, I have not seen the Hunger Games.

Nate: 1:27:47

We have some movies to watch. We as a group. Yes. So many. What did they rig the this episode doesn't have to be all about Mini Coopers. But what did they rigged the Mini Coopers up to hold wasn't like 2700 pounds each or something like that?

Fish: 1:28:05

Which was more than they needed?

Nate: 1:28:07

Yeah, cuz did you look it up too? Yeah, they they were

Fish: 1:28:11

gonna steal 4500 pounds of gold? Yeah. From the guy? Yep. Because he had already spent some of it.

Nate: 1:28:17

Yeah. So at the time, because I think they gave a different number in the movie. But at the time, the gold like $27 million worth of gold would have weighed about 4500

Fish: 1:28:28

pounds. Yeah, which would be worth 97 million today. And in the movie, when they said what are you gonna do with your gold? One guy was like, just keep it like invested. That was that would have been a good idea.

Nate: 1:28:40

Yeah. So another you know, picking the movie apart a little bit. Or just like, why wouldn't somebody think of this? Apparently gold is really easy to melt down and recast like it's got a really low melt point for some metals. Yeah, so why wouldn't Steve just do that to get rid of the Balinese dancer that was right on it? Because then you like you could find even somebody probably and a little bit unscrupulous to give them a gold bullion brick. You know, but they're not going to question necessarily Hey, was this part of a heist that my family might be connected to or know about? You know, probably get less questions exactly. For something you could do in your kitchen

Jackie: 1:29:27

you're gonna melt gold in our kitchen

Nate: 1:29:29

bringing it full if I had gold in our kitchen I would mount it

Fish: 1:29:35

just for fun. Make for fun tic tac video

Cayleigh: 1:29:39

those are gold melting pot.

Fish: 1:29:42

Oh man. Oh, we could like cast you know something cool. Yeah, make a mold. The action scene scenes were pretty they didn't seem to over the top they seem everything seemed pretty.

Jackie: 1:29:54

The helicopter

Fish: 1:29:55

except that. Like, why is their helicopter and first of all, you Viewer understanding for the helicopter just like if you ran into it you'd probably throw it off and crash oh yes you beat it there's no standoff with the helicopter you just it loses yeah

Nate: 1:30:11

if it loses it's probably going to lose badly yeah it's gonna just crash and burn so help me out here because I don't remember at the end but I the the end action sequences where they're going through the subway they blow up the street and the truck drops through and everything there's a shack a shocking lack of police presence through the whole

Fish: 1:30:34

thing I think because they were controlling all the grid like the lights and stuff and it was massive gridlock

Nate: 1:30:39

I don't think that's the assumption right is that they're all tied up that's because they're the police are present because you don't see any like Italy in the beginning scene that they start the police boat show up and everything. But yeah, I was like, I was thinking about that today. Before we before we started recording. I was like, there were many, many caps at the end of the end. Yeah. And apparently there's a there's quite a few like in congruence ease in the movie. So like, Edward Norton's character or Steve when he's driving the Bronco at the end before the helicopter or after the helicopter.

Fish: 1:31:15

At least it wasn't a white Bronco.

Nate: 1:31:17

Yeah, at least it wasn't a white Bronco. And apparently, he didn't have a mustache. When he's in the truck.

Fish: 1:31:23

I think I saw that.

Nate: 1:31:24

Even though he had it for the rest of the movie.

Jackie: 1:31:26

That's funny,

Nate: 1:31:27

the helicopter or when it lands, the the blade is spinning in one and then when they show it again, the blade has stopped at the top and it takes a long time to wind down. There's other stuff like that, oh, Charlize Theron, when she's drilling the safe at the end, you know, she would have to leave the drill in the door of the safe because it started to crack that. And when they when after she does it by touch and opens the door. The drill is gone. And it's like, okay, just little stuff like that. Yeah.

Fish: 1:31:58

You're not supposed to notice that.

Nate: 1:32:00

I didn't. Internet.

Fish: 1:32:03

Yes. You were too wild. But everything else? Yes.

Jackie: 1:32:06

I did like that they tied the last heist in with the first taste with dropping the the armored van through the ground. Kind of echoing it from the actual Italian Job. Yeah.

Nate: 1:32:19

And there's there's a lot of kind of stereotypical action things or cliche things in this movie. But I think you have to watch it for what it is and just be like, Okay, I'm going, you know, I'm watching this for entertainment not to watch too, too deeply. That being said, I have watched it a lot.

Cayleigh: 1:32:39

The only time that like cliches bothered or mean, or like, perhaps lazy writing bothers me is when it's a movie that's like, trying to take itself seriously or trying to be like, we're changing the genre. And then it still relies on tropes and cliches and lazy writing. This isn't this knows what it is. This knows that it's a fun action movie. And it's not trying to be anything more than that. And I feel like that's why it was so successful. I think we do need to I think we live in an age now where everybody wants everything to be the best content they've ever received in their life. And you can't just you can't make campy things anymore. You can't just make fun. You know, the movie equivalent of junk food anymore. Everything has to be highbrow. Yeah. And like, changing exactly the most well written thing you've ever watched, like, it just can't be fun. And it was refreshing to see something that just knows what it is and was having fun.

Nate: 1:33:47

Yeah, sometimes I you know, those movies, especially like those action movies, like it's fun to just turn your brain off and just be like, oh, you know, cool explosions and car chases and stuff like that. Which is the new Top Gun interest. You know, that's, I would want us you know, if I saw that, it'd be the same thing. I just like, watching. It's really good.

Jackie: 1:34:15

You guys can go. I have zero interest.

Cayleigh: 1:34:20

I never saw the first one either.

Jackie: 1:34:21

The same

Nate: 1:34:22

doesn't help. No, I've never seen it

Fish: 1:34:25

put it on the list. Pairing

Jackie: 1:34:28

pairing. Care about Tom Cruise.

Cayleigh: 1:34:31

Yeah, I mean, I don't like Tom Cruise.

Fish: 1:34:35

Most Defs character was pretty cool. Yeah. I guess he goes by Yasiin Bey. No. Yep. But I can um, best acting wise for Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. But I guess he's got like 50 Acting credits. Actually. He's done.

Nate: 1:34:51

Doing a lot of stuff in what late 90s and early 2000s.

Fish: 1:34:56

Yeah, I mean, even still up through 2016 And yeah, mostly in the 90s and early 2000s For sure.

Cayleigh: 1:35:04

Did I mention him in parks and recreation? Like reference him?

Jackie: 1:35:08

There is? Yes, there's something where he's referenced.

Cayleigh: 1:35:13

I feel like I know that they reference genuine and I did not know that genuine is an actual

Jackie: 1:35:20

oh no

Cayleigh: 1:35:21

recording artists. I thought that he was like an in universe like a pretty spaghetti situation. No. But I feel like I thought most data was something on Parks and Rec. Like in some sort of reference or I don't know

Jackie: 1:35:37

he's on something it might have be person rack.

Cayleigh: 1:35:41

I don't think he was in it.

Jackie: 1:35:42

No, yeah. Like that, like a joke around most def.

Cayleigh: 1:35:45

Yeah, exactly.

Fish: 1:35:48

You know, what, when? When, when they see all the shit that he's bought and then Edward Norton's character has just bought what everyone else said that they were combined with all their money. Like he just doesn't know what to spend his money on. Like,

Nate: 1:36:02

what's very unoriginal. So,

Jackie: 1:36:07

yeah, I'm looking for like references, but it's I. It sounds right. Yeah,

Cayleigh: 1:36:13

I'm not sure.

Nate: 1:36:15

So yeah, then at the end when when they all get the stuff that they wanted in the beginning. Yes. Pretty funny. And again, Seth Green. The stereo so loud, it can blow women's clothes off. Stand over there real quick. One Closer, closer.

Cayleigh: 1:36:31

You don't get a lot of Incel characters, and I feel like Seth Green might have been the first in this movie.

Jackie: 1:36:37

Yeah, first and so definitely had some vibes there. Even Napster It was light

Cayleigh: 1:36:45

hearted and funny and not that serious. Although in 2022 with the number of install apps people going on violent rampages. Anyway. Even like his comments about like, Becky, yeah. Girl and I'm just gonna fall for you immediately. Handsome is given incelvibes.

Jackie: 1:37:08

No, I agree with that completely.

Nate: 1:37:10

I can see that now that you've made the comparison.

Cayleigh: 1:37:15

I'm trying to think I don't know of any other characters that like depict

Nate: 1:37:19

another good scene with him though is where he's he's tied in hacked into the traffic system, sitting at the baggage claim and all of a sudden it turns on and people start showing up and he's just like, alright, we're doing this.

Fish: 1:37:34

I recognized. They showed it at Steve Edward Norton's house. And then on his little wheelie cart. They showed like the that like black and kind of purplish color and like router Wi Fi. Yeah. We had one of those that year or whatever. It was, like that was a very popular router from like, the early 2000s. Yes. I think it was Netgear. Yeah.

Cayleigh: 1:37:57

Even got really excited seeing

Fish: 1:38:01

slow, internet was so slow. But it was Wi Fi.

Nate: 1:38:07

What's it going to be? And in another 20 years

Jackie: 1:38:10

in your brain?

Fish: 1:38:12

They've got fiber.

Cayleigh: 1:38:14

We have not Naisha I don't have access to the fiber. But I'm saying

Fish: 1:38:19

can we just happen? Can we like run a fiber optic cable to your place? Yeah. Okay. Borrow some fiber.

Cayleigh: 1:38:24

And it wasn't Elon Musk. I mean, granted, you can't take anything he says for true, but talking about feel like there was like some legislation about satellites that he was pissed about because his big plan is that he's going to create some kind of internet situation and that satellites is part of it.

Jackie: 1:38:44

What is it about I

Fish: 1:38:46

think Facebook have a lot of internet satellites.

Jackie: 1:38:49

Any final thoughts?

Cayleigh: 1:38:52

Um, yeah, I I would watch it again. I think it I think I would have to watch it again. Without a little cold cup of water. I

Fish: 1:39:08

might like it less though.

Cayleigh: 1:39:10

Maybe I was giving it a thumbs down the whole time. That is true. That is true. And then it was really funny because I had ice cubes in the water and juniper usually lives doesn't hang out by us because Sangha has like, made her territory so like, anyway, but she came up and was like risking it all because she wanted to get the ice cubes.

Fish: 1:39:35

She took she took one

Cayleigh: 1:39:39

so that was nice. But anyway, um, it was a fun movie. I enjoyed it. I don't have any like major gripes with it. Um, I mean, I'm not falling over myself to watch it because I do think it leans more just like if a helicopter car standoff sounds dope as fuck Do you This is it, this is for you. That's, you know, boats racing through the canals of Venice.

Fish: 1:40:10

It was pretty cool, though.

Cayleigh: 1:40:11

I appreciate it, but it's just not quite enough. And there isn't like a ton of like, complex storyline. I like that, you know, we have this, like, I have to avenge my father kind of thing. But again, it's just it's not a very complex story. It's not a very complex movie, but it's not trying to be so I'm not mad at it for not being that but I'm probably going to reach for something a little bit more, like playful and more like, whoa, what's gonna happen if I'm going for a heist movie?

Fish: 1:40:44

Yeah. It's a fairly fun, you know, it's nice. Like we mentioned that it doesn't take this movie doesn't take itself too seriously, which is good. Which, which makes it better. And then if you don't take the movie too seriously, you'll enjoy it. But I do appreciate the the stunts and the, the filming, like on location right through, you know, the canals of Venice, they, you know, they're filming on location there and, you know, through the, you know, the New York subway and all this stuff. So, LA, or LA could have been anywhere in but

Cayleigh: 1:41:26

part of it was a set though. So they did film like in the tunnels for aspects but for portions that they couldn't comply and couldn't schedule and whatever, whatever. They did build a set. And they couldn't use a regular soundstage. They had to get rent a hangar. And it was the hangar that the first space shuttle was assembled in, I guess, and they used every square inch of the hanger to build the set. That's how huge it was.

Fish: 1:41:55

Wow, I'm guessing it was like the safecracking scene.

Nate: 1:41:58

That's what I'm thinking.

Fish: 1:41:59

Yeah, that was just big and yeah, you couldn't just you know, stay at it. No. No, somebody that so yeah. It's overall sports. fairly fun. Oh, I'll catch it again. One day.

Jackie: 1:42:16

Yeah, if it's on in the background, I want to turn it off. That's a very it's an easy watch. Like Kaylee mentioned, there's not a lot to it. It's not super intriguing. I feel like it's been a long time since I've seen them, but I feel like I'd prefer the oceans movies to this.

Nate: 1:42:32

Do have those on DVD. They made a couple of them.

Fish: 1:42:38

Yeah, but those are nonstop.

Cayleigh: 1:42:40

I do love George Clooney

Fish: 1:42:42

once it gets going

Cayleigh: 1:42:43

a lot.

Nate: 1:42:44

You I if I had to guess I think you'll like the first one more than the SEC

Fish: 1:42:53

well heard. Was there 13 Yeah, I don't think so.

Nate: 1:42:58

But Ocean's 11 It was good that's a remake to the original was the Rat Pack was Frank Sinatra.

Cayleigh: 1:43:03

I think I knew that. But I've seen it.

Fish: 1:43:07

They just keep remaking heist as the highest

Cayleigh: 1:43:13

ant man was we did watch a director's commentary on Ambien. And that is specific model. Like that is

Nate: 1:43:23

100% I do like ant man.

Jackie: 1:43:26

You introduced me to Ant Man. You mash that together?

Nate: 1:43:29

Really early on? That's probably one

Cayleigh: 1:43:31

of like up there on my Marvel movies. Yeah, man. So yeah, I'm with you.

Jackie: 1:43:38

Nate file box.

Nate: 1:43:39

I like this movie seen it a bunch. You'll see it again. I have put it on in the background and enjoyed it. I don't have a problem with any of the characters in this Edward Norton does stand out as his performance stands out as kind of different than the rest. And I guess I've always kind of felt that way but you guys call it out today is helped me say yeah, that was it. It is kind of starkly different than everybody else's tone in the movie. Enjoyable really fun stunts. Really? You gotta take it for what it is don't look too deep. I mean chances are they all would have died if they went on in that freezing water and sub zero temperatures and play

Fish: 1:44:19

when Edward Norton if he would have known they had that scuba gear in there

Nate: 1:44:23

you would think

Fish: 1:44:25

and bolts really don't go that far down in the water like

Cayleigh: 1:44:28

busters just proved that.

Nate: 1:44:30

What did they do

Fish: 1:44:31

then? The water dissipates the force.

Cayleigh: 1:44:35

Usually people dive into water to escape bullets. I thought Yeah,

Fish: 1:44:40

yeah. If you can, like swim down like maybe 10 feet or so.

Nate: 1:44:45

Saving Private

Jackie: 1:44:45

rise. Just gonna say that makes me think of Saving Private Ryan

Cayleigh: 1:44:49

will have to watch the MythBusters and revisit this because I don't remember which direction they tested the myth now and I don't remember what direction it came out.

Nate: 1:44:58

Love me a good Mythbusters Yeah.

Cayleigh: 1:45:00

I do feel like that his performance being off with that tidbit. It's like, oh, without that tidbit, I could see it being you know, forgivable or or not a big sticking point, because he's the villain

Jackie: 1:45:16

because you still dislike him.

Cayleigh: 1:45:17

Yeah. So if he had been part of the gang, and you're like, what's up with this guy, then it would be like, frustrating, because then it would ruin that perfect chemistry that we had discussed earlier. But I think the fact that he's the villain, you could easily write it off as like, well, he made a choice because he's the villain, ya know. So I don't think it hurts that as much as it could have. So, yeah. Anyhow. Okay. Well, let's take a quick break and we come back, we can compare. So, what I wanted to say, and I stopped myself, so I could say it here. Was that the way that Charlize Therons character acts as the cable person is how I needed Catherine to act in Thomas crown. Thomas crown.

Jackie: 1:46:19

I agreed.

Cayleigh: 1:46:20

I believed every second that she was a no nonsense. competent. Badass. Yeah.

Nate: 1:46:32

And much. Yeah, I by the relationship more with Charlie.

Cayleigh: 1:46:37

Right. Although I do find their relationship. Odd. Because I feel like he viewed her dad as like his father, a father figure. Yeah. And it is her father figure,

Nate: 1:46:52

or father.

Jackie: 1:46:53

I mean, they didn't grow up as brother and sister. It's the

Nate: 1:46:55

same as Indiana Jones, though.

Cayleigh: 1:46:58

I guess that's

Nate: 1:46:59

with Marianne.

Cayleigh: 1:47:00

That's relevant.

Nate: 1:47:02

But there is a big age gap there.

Cayleigh: 1:47:07

Was I Well, yeah, I don't think

Nate: 1:47:09

cuz he did he study with her dad. Or did he teach with her dad? I thought he studied under him. I think so. Yeah. So it was more like a father figure. Yeah, but he was still too old for Marian at the time. Okay.

Fish: 1:47:25

Well, we already mentioned that both of these movies are pretty much remakes or you know inspired by both the Italian Job original came out in 1969 and The Thomas Crown Affair original came out in 1968. So just one year apart. And then these newer movies were four years apart. So semicolons

Jackie: 1:47:45

just like one year plus three is

Cayleigh: 1:47:48

well spotted.

Nate: 1:47:54

Nice,

Fish: 1:47:54

cool that both know the original in the future ones, but the past ones now came around the same time.

Cayleigh: 1:48:01

But then on the flip side on the Flippity flop.

Fish: 1:48:04

What's up?

Cayleigh: 1:48:05

Pierce Brosnan? Badass. Everyone wants to be

Jackie: 1:48:10

him. Carrey? Charming. Cute, but

Cayleigh: 1:48:13

Mark Wahlberg

Jackie: 1:48:17

is I was fine.

Cayleigh: 1:48:18

I typically don't much care for a Wahlberg. So that's on me. But I just feel like a little bit more badass. He could have been a little more action hero,

Jackie: 1:48:30

just kind of there.

Fish: 1:48:31

He was, like kind of the planner I guess. But he didn't.

Cayleigh: 1:48:34

He was the bard.

Fish: 1:48:38

telling a tale. Yeah, it would have been, I think cool to see him do more. Now that you mentioned that he really do anything and I remember him doing anything.

Nate: 1:48:49

It was the point he punched you in the face.

Fish: 1:48:51

Okay. Yeah, that was that was good.

Nate: 1:48:53

But yeah, he was the planner,

Fish: 1:48:55

but didn't seem doing much.

Nate: 1:48:57

Now the thing about this movie and we mentioned are both movies we mentioned it with Thomas Crown Affair. Neither of the crews or the heist involve guns weapons. Right. So and I I liked that because it is it's more well thought out than a smash and grab right like a good heist movie for me. Yeah, I some of them involve guns, but it's a different kind of movie. It's more of a drama. It's it's more interesting when you have to think it out.

Cayleigh: 1:49:27

Right? Because that's what makes it the heist move. If everybody has a bang bang then why don't you don't need much of a plan.

Jackie: 1:49:35

Bang, bang, bang, bang bang bang.

Cayleigh: 1:49:37

Wrong bang.

Jackie: 1:49:40

That was known as a bang that was

Cayleigh: 1:49:43

that was the moments of Thomas Crown one difference that I have to wonder, you know, didn't help or hurt. But Baba we have a very clear villain In a Italian Job, who's the villain and Thomas Crown,

Fish: 1:50:05

all of us

Nate: 1:50:06

society.

Cayleigh: 1:50:10

And so I find that interesting. There's no bad guy, there's no the man and

Nate: 1:50:18

society at large interest from contrary to our

Jackie: 1:50:22

own. It's kind of everyone's in it for themselves. Everyone's motivations are.

Cayleigh: 1:50:27

But I wonder if that helped select for me. I feel like Thomas Crown was just a much more intricate movie, I don't think yeah, I would almost say it's it's not much of an action movie.

Nate: 1:50:41

I agree. So it's much more about him and his lifestyle and kind of how he's transforming. And even though her character is written poorly, about their interaction, and they're falling for each other, right, right. The Heist is at the beginning. And at the end, it's almost secondary

Jackie: 1:51:05

type I think the genre actually is listed as like romantic heist.

Cayleigh: 1:51:10

Interesting, which, like I say, the heist scenes, you know, they're exciting. They have you on the edge of your seat. There's a lot happening there stunts, but it's not, you know, like with the Italian Job, they're driving their cars, there's car chases, explosions. explosions, for sure. And so it's just interesting to me that they are both very much heist movies, but the fact that I wonder if I prefer Tomas a crown jewel. Yeah. Now you just said on this pitch that it's more of like a puzzle. Yeah.

Fish: 1:51:46

It's thoughtful.

Nate: 1:51:46

It's more it's even more of a thinker than The Italian Job. Even though

Jackie: 1:51:52

by far,

Nate: 1:51:52

neither crew uses guns, right. And they have to piece this thing together. There's more mystery. And there's more of the puzzle aspect of Thomas Crown Affair.

Jackie: 1:52:02

There's more charm to yes. I mean, yeah. Pierce Brosnan and then the whole time you're trying to follow what's happening. It's fun. It makes it more fun.

Nate: 1:52:13

Yeah, I think the other interesting thing when you you guys, tell me if you agree or not, neither. In both movies, they didn't have to do the heist. Right? It wasn't necessary Thomas or an Italian Job is that it's clear in The Thomas Crown Affair. He didn't need the money. Right? In The Italian Job. It was because of revenge. It wasn't like they were going to this, this new job. They had done the job in the beginning, and then the rest of the movie is, let's get back at Steve. But at no time did they say Hey, guys, we we need this to live? Yeah, it's

Jackie: 1:52:51

not following like the traditional heist movies, trying to get the gold trying to get all the money.

Fish: 1:52:59

But they still show the end how they spend it. Yeah,

Nate: 1:53:02

yeah. Oh, I forgot it. You might as well spend. I

Fish: 1:53:05

mean, what else are you going to do with it?

Nate: 1:53:08

In a very low yield bond?

Fish: 1:53:11

Just keep it as gold,

Jackie: 1:53:12

you would do that

Fish: 1:53:13

gold is a good investment?

Nate: 1:53:15

No, I wouldn't. I would invest it in a reasonably diversified portfolio.

Jackie: 1:53:21

I don't know bonds. Doesn't make any sense. James? One more comparison. There's only one female in both movies. Yeah, it's

Nate: 1:53:33

true. The token female

Jackie: 1:53:35

token female. But those four years made a difference.

Cayleigh: 1:53:41

Yeah, they sure did. They shared it. So it's like I'm saying I don't think I would be mad at a remake of The Thomas Crown Affair. Yeah, if they keep everything that was good. Yeah. And then just fix I'd be

Nate: 1:53:55

I'd be all about it. And I mean, the Pierce Brosnan version is always going to have a special place for me. Yeah, I liked that movie a lot. But the I could definitely see it remade with some improvements to the female character.

Jackie: 1:54:11

Maybe even after the second, maybe they can make eye contact. Talk,

Nate: 1:54:21

even look at each other

Fish: 1:54:22

and have them flip flop roles.

Cayleigh: 1:54:25

At best. One of them will talk to a wall

Nate: 1:54:27

while the other ones around the corners. Yep. But it's better than the other character. But I believe Ocean's 11 also has Julia Roberts is the token female. Yeah,

Jackie: 1:54:39

yep. That sounds right. There can only be one Yeah.

Cayleigh: 1:54:46

I hope they keep the art aspect to imagine they would and I imagine they'd be like we have to do our own thing. I

Jackie: 1:54:52

thought it was what made it so fun, though. Yeah. Yeah.

Nate: 1:54:56

So you've never seen any James Bond

Cayleigh: 1:54:58

Correct.

Jackie: 1:55:01

or, or Hunger Games talked about.

Cayleigh: 1:55:04

I would like to start with Goldeneye just because I watched or not watched I played it for a lot choppers I like specifically liked that I liked being Natalia.

Nate: 1:55:16

Natalia on top

Fish: 1:55:21

it is nice and

Nate: 1:55:24

on top of things

Jackie: 1:55:31

so what's next week? That'd be great.

Cayleigh: 1:55:33

Oh, yes. Okay, what's next? We're gonna talk a lot about bond this episode. It is our British Invasion episode of The Beatles a hard day night. And SpiceWorld.

Jackie: 1:55:50

Yeah.

Fish: 1:55:51

Is it A Hard Day's Night?

Jackie: 1:55:52

Yeah, it is.

Fish: 1:55:53

I had a hard day.

Jackie: 1:55:55

You did say a hard date night. Oh.

Fish: 1:55:58

I don't want to get emails from

Cayleigh: 1:55:59

it sounds like I've been drinking. It is because I have

Fish: 1:56:05

a piano husband drinking.

Cayleigh: 1:56:13

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